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voyagers_uk wrote: Sun Tzu: "Know your enemy, Know yourself, and your victory is not in danger"...

Jim Malone: "He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue. That's the Chicago way"
Two good qoutes that do apply to competetive nature and beeing victorious... though there is a huge but to them... let me get back to them..

Before I go on let me add a qoute.

Michael Corleone: "Never hate your enemy it affects your judgement."

Malones qoute (Im talking in general terms now not BB specific) is dangerous as if you tend to over retaliate then your nearing hate and that means your judgment is clouded. It also makes you predictable.

Hence at times it can be better to ignore your enemy so that he needs to commit to his distractions. This can put him in very awkward positions.

Also the big but to them.

Applying "winner" philosophies, that come from military commanders similar type of people, on recreational games and/or life can be dangerous.

Because what is most important winning that game or BOTH players having a enjoyable experience?

I'm saying this because I so often read people coaching each other on the net how to WIN (regardless of game) while so little focus is put on sportsmanship and respect of the enjoyable experience of the game.

So while yes using Sun Tzu, Jim Mallone and Michael Corleone as your guiding principals to coaching a BB Team might make you successfull it is also most definatly a good way to make you extreamly booring to play.

Tex



Interesting perspective on my approach. The Malone quote was more on a "always take more force than your opponent expects to clear a situation" - when it is in your favour manner

being unpredictable and flexible is hardly making anyone a boring opponent to play against

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the enjoyment factor for both coaches as the paramount outcome, but the match is only part of the social side for me. Spending the evening with friends is an all encompassing experience and why I prefer tabletop to any other form of BB.


Your added quote imposes feelings into for me was a simple instructional piece.

I didn't impose emotion on D.

Winning is nice, but not everything. If he had asked for help on how to lose or have fun.... I may have offered different advice. but I would probably have stayed silent as I do not feel it is my place to tell people how to feel.

If you want to have a Dr Phil moment by all means knock yourself out... I may not read it, but as long as you enjoyed it then we had a good time...

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darren woodward wrote:Brutal as in a good way? :)
Absodiddlyutely, dood. That Guard/SS combo forces the offense to play up Broadway, which goes a long way toward mitigating your MA deficit. Just remember to drop back a square with your Runners and/or Slayers when facing Leap. Even had you not given your Runners Block, btw, they'd be just as good at tying down a Wardancer against a two-turner.

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"Always mystify, mislead and surprise your enemy, if possible. Never attack him in his strength if by any manuvering you can attack him in a weak spot, and that the weakest spot. Never let up in the pursuit, for an army routed can become panicked and destroyed by half its numbers. In this way, a smaller army can defeat a larger and through repeated victories become invincible."

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Kind of sums it all up, huh?

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Thanks fellas - i'm not a WAAC kinda guy although i'm as competitive as the next chap.

Yes i want to win with Dwarfs - its an inter-club tourney with bragging rights (hey i got to win at toy soldiers - wooooo!!) :lol:

I play other games WAB, FoW etc but BB is my favourite system primarily because i find it fun. I think its hillareous when you fall flat on your ar*e in the EZ on a 2nd GFI

My Dwarf team has played 3 W1 D2 so far - i'm going to find them a challenge to use because i will make mistakes and it will cost me.

Highlights so far have been fouling a RO off the pitch [much to my mate's disgust] :D and intercepting what would have been a scoring TD [we got out of sync] with a Blocker in traffic when another friend got all throwy with Orcs - i'm not sure who was the more surprised; him because i rolled a 6 or me because he threw just for kicks and nearly pulled off a score from an unexpected source.

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Mighty Blow only on Slayers. If you don't take mighty blow on blockers and blitzers you will have more fun with friends.

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I'm not a WAAC kind of player, either. I rarely foul, very occassionally crowd surf, but if I can figure out a chain block that'll put me into the end zone this turn, you betcha I'll do it.

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Nobody thinks they're a WAAC player, but everybody's playing to win. In fact, playing to win is a prerequisite of sportsmanship. Funny how that goes.

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You're right; i should have let that interception go & not fouled the RO either. Come to think of it Blocking isn't very nice against a non-block player

Anyone got a Fling team they don't want; no Treemen of course :wink:

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WAAC to me implies doing things like deliberately not flipping over re-rolls to conserve them, spiking your opponents drink, showing up three hours late to get your opponent upset, using a bunch of minis which aren't clearly marked, forgetting conveniently that you have attribute decreases, etc.

Sportsmanship implies doing everything possible within the rules to win.

BIG difference. In War, there simply aren't those rules in the same sense. Both sides are also not necessarily considered to be equal upon stepping onto the pitch. So comparisons to famous generals and warriors tend to be a bit lacking.

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Sorry to derail, but what does WAAC stand for?

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Win At All Costs

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mattgslater wrote:Nobody thinks they're a WAAC player, but everybody's playing to win. In fact, playing to win is a prerequisite of sportsmanship. Funny how that goes.
I'm a WAAC player. I don't understand why you would play any game if you weren't trying to win at all costs. This doesn't mean cheating to win or taking unfair advantage like neglecting to mention a rule if it would help the other team (or hurt your team)--mostly when playing against newbies. It also does not mean not being a sportsman about a game (winning or losing the game).

To me, WAAC means that I'm striving to win the game at all times---doesn't matter if I win or lose, just that I tried to win against an opponent who was also trying to win.

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To me, WAAC includes cheating, being unsportsmanlike in not telling a newbie a rule that would help him or showing him a proper way to set up a block.

Now, trying to win within the rules by any legal play I can, Oh Yeah, I will set up a chain block to nail a Rat Ogre and get him off the pitch. I don't like to lose. But winning by cheating is just poor form and I won't do it.

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I agree with that totally, play by the rules with friends or don't play at all..


Win if you can...

don't try to lose

be unpredictable though...

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Semantics. Seems to some WAAC includes cheating, unsportsmanship, throwing tantrums to get your way on a rules ruling, ect. and on down that road. To others, the term excludes the above and simply means playing the game within the rules to the best of their ability on every turn.

I won't do the former, I do latter to the point that I don't hear tornado warnings until after the sucker passed us by.

Last night, in fact. My humans won 2-1 against a developed Norse team.

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