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Re: Black Orcks

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Gabbi wrote:ok, thanks!

I was also thinking if in case of doubles on first skill I should take the chance and get Dodge...
While I wouldn't waste the double, Dodge will help my Black Orc only in a "passive" way (keeping it on the field), but not granting him more SPP chances, while Block will help him both on defense (removing one harmful result from the die) and giving him more chances to injury opponent's players.
To the other hand, Dodge will remove a result always harmful, while Block will remove a result harmful only if the opposing player has Block himself (or the opposing team is in very desperate need to lay down my player).

What are the opinions of fellow greenskin coaches? =)
Dodge isn’t that great on Black Orcs, their low AG means that you won’t get as much benefit from it as a Blitzer would (even better if he has AG4).

But if you already have some dodge on the team then taking it can be good, in general it’s better to have lots of dodge or none, most teams will have some tackle so a decent coach can either tie up black orcs or hit them with the tackle guy.

If your team is new I’d be less inclined to take anything bar block, MB or +ST on the Black Orcs. I’ve had some of them take 20 games to get to 6 spp’s so am wary of anything that doesn’t help them get more cas. It can be even worse if you have a rookie on a developed team as he’ll be easy pickings against other bashers and won’t warrant apoth usage.

But 1 key consideration is your entertainment. The bread and butter skills are the most efficient but Orcs really suffer from “cookie cutter syndrome” as lots of them all look exactly the same. So throwing in some doubles and stats may not be the most tactically efficient choice but will make the team more interesting for you. No one is going to remember a block, guard, MB, Stand Firm, tackle black orc. But one with AG3, dodge, block, sure hands and MA5 is the stuff great Bloodbowl legends are made of.

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Re: Black Orcks

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ST4/Blodge is great. You don't have to go nowhere to make an impact: most Tackle is ST3. Without Block, it sucks. Not just "suboptimal": I mean bad. Not a top-ten pick on a guy with three skill choices.

When getting blocked into 2d with Block, using Dodge, your chance of going down falls from 3/4 to 5/9, a little under 20% of all results, just about exactly a 26% save vs pow, more or less a squaring of your opponent's pow odds (9/16 of one, 5/9 of the other). That's nice to have, but Block gives you that and makes you more reliable at what you do, rather than what you don't do.

When getting blocked into 2d with Block, using Block and Dodge, your chance of going down falls from 5/9 to 11/36, 25% of all results, and the equivalent of a 45% (exactly) save vs pow, and again about the equivalent of a squaring of the odds, only with smaller odds and thus a bigger drop in both absolute and (esp) proportionate terms. That's pretty serious mojo; it means your opponent usually expects to push. Once you have Guard and SF or BT, it's just evil.

Funny coincidence: (11:36):((5/9)^2) :: 99%.
36/4=9, so 36*9/4 = 9^2.
11*2.25 = 24.75.
5^2 = 25.
(24.75/25) x4 = 99/100.

So your chances of being knocked down on one 2d non-Wrestle, non-Tackle hit with Blodge are precisely 99% of your chances of getting two Block guys knocked down on two 2d non-Wrestle hits.

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I agree. ST4 blodge is great. If you have two it becomes a real problem for your opponent to deal with.

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Re: Black Orcks

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OK, thanks everyone. I'll try to make them earn SSPs =)

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Re: Black Orcks

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Yeah, ST4 Blodge and Stand firm is nice!
In my Necros team I had the opportunity to have Blodge on both of them, and with their ST4 and Stand firm noone was coming through along the sidelines and was forced to break through the middle. And with orcs I assume that might work out even better!

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Re: Black Orcks

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I have a Wrestle black orc!!!

It's very nice when you wan't to "take down" a strong opponent.

Love to wrestle down a big guy with block :D

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