MK1881 miniatures seems interesting

[Slinky]

First I saw of these was them being shared by Rolljordan on Facebook.

Molten who shared them here is Rolljordan.

And Rolljordan has no connection with Greebo anymore. Greebo made that very clear on TFF a couple years ago.

[Greebo]

Please guy, don't start to make supposition or other about Greebo and Rolljordan or similar. I don't know who is MK1881 and why concept are very similar to concepts made by Massimiliano Gallo, but I don't care it. Mean only that in future Greebo will have a very similar Dark Elf team, because I'll use the concept made by my drawer in past.

[JT-Y]

*shrugs*

[Shteve0]

That's unfortunate. I'd noticed the concept was similar, but you're right - it's a direct takeoff of Greebo's artwork.

Not impressed, at all. I mean the minis are nice, and I was keen, but concept theft?

[Kikurasis]

I'd think the question is: "If Greebo and RJ were partnered when the concepts were made, who owns them after the split?" (This is assuming, of course, that MK1881 has a relationship with RJ.)

[Greebo]

All concepts are propriety of Massimiliano Gallo, not mine and not of any other, but only of Massimiliano Gallo, the concept artist and he don't have give them to anyone.
Actually, if I want use the Dark Elf concepts made in past, I have to ask his permission.

[Slinky]

I'd think the question is: "If Greebo and RJ were partnered when the concepts were made, who owns them after the split?" (This is assuming, of course, that MK1881 has a relationship with RJ.)

Even assuming that is true, the split was 2009 and Greebo posted the images were posted in 2011. So even if they were not the property of the original Artist like Greeboo posted, they clearly were developed post anyone else having a partial claim to them. So I do not see any doubt that this is pure and simple concept theft. There are no grey areas here and seriously if anyone is willing to buy miniatures produced via concept theft, you are pretty much making sure that no one will ever show concept art in advance again on TFF if the members are willing to support that activity by purchasing the ill-made goods from another company. I know I've read on this forum before that at least one other company no longer posts art because they had issues already with concept theft. In the end it hurts the industry to not actually care about the companies doing the right thing.

[Jembo17]

Isn't this a similar issue to when someone made (or had made) a load of block dice that were identical to the NAF/GW block dice.
As I recall there was a rush by some people to buy them before copyright issues kicked in. People weren't so outspoken against that.

But for the record i'm not condoning the artwork theft at all, it's disappointing and underhand.

[Gaixo]

All concepts are propriety of Massimiliano Gallo, not mine and not of any other, but only of Massimiliano Gallo, the concept artist and he don't have give them to anyone.
Actually, if I want use the Dark Elf concepts made in past, I have to ask his permission.

Is there any chance that the current producer bought the concept from Gallo, or do you have right of first refusal?

[Macs Gallo]

No there's not actually, hi everybody here Massimiliano Gallo in person.
I'm not a guy who likes messing up, but those concepts are "exactly the same" of my own design that i made some years ago, nobody lately told me nothing about this and it's definetly a surprise for me see those pictures, because i'm the only owner of them so i'd like to know what's going on please.

[JT-Y]

Did you protect the images you shared online?

May sound pedantic to ask, but your answer will colour my feelings on them being used -in whole or in part- by another party.

[Slinky]

Did you protect the images you shared online?

May sound pedantic to ask, but your answer will colour my feelings on them being used -in whole or in part- by another party.

Actually yes it does sound pedantic. Considering you just posted you were not happy that your work was used without proper credit. It screams pedantic and actually hypocritical.

The images posted online on TFF are by default protected as a work of art being shown. They are not available for someone else just to take and make products from. There should not need to a copyright notice posted just because someone shares a concept sketch on TFF.

[Macs Gallo]

To be honest i didn't protec those pictures, but the intellectual rights are thin as a concept, showing freely my stuff is the only thing i can do to do business, i just rely on people who should be ashamed to steal the ideas of others, that's all.
I don't wanna be rude but...adding details slightly different is anyway just like using loopholes to steal and save the face.

[JT-Y]

I'm perfectly happy for my work to be used. It get's used quite a lot without permission, and very few instances annoy me. If I cared more I'd protect it better. But I don't so I don't.
I appreciate being paid when that is agreed, and Greebo is now seeking to rectify this oversight.

I mention it purely so that people understand my unsympathetic stance on this in the first place.

But what Macs has just said is what I thought, sadly, would be the case. The best defence Greebo would have had with the concept would have been to action it straight away. With them first being shown so long ago it is maybe unsurprising that someone else has, shall we just say, 'been inspired' by the concepts.

The difficulty here is that the rights to the concepts are indeed always thin; it is one thing that both protects the BB community from GW's ever present banhammer yet can work against it at the same time.

It's a shame that people do need to protect their ideas so closely these days, and equally a shame that ideas get re-used in ways the originator may not be happy about.

They'll be available on eBay from a Hong kong seller at a fraction of the price within two weeks of release anyway.

[Heff]

They look a straight lift to me. My interest has just gone way down. Here's hoping that Greebo's concepts are equally dynamic as those will be the ones I buy, if any.