BBRC Hot List - 2003

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:26 am

On my KO I can only field 3 (or less) players, who have to be on the LOS. therefore I've no-one to kick off. Is it an automatic Touchback?

I'm sure the answer is yes, but it's not specifically noted in the Kick-off rules.

I'm not so sure the answer is yes. If it is then if you set up your team so that everyone was across the los then it would be a touchback as will. I think the only time you have to have someone back to kick is if you are using the Kick skill.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:31 am

Hmmm! Mayb it was a houserule in one of the PBeM leagues then

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 2:56 am

Yes, it was. And good point Xtreme, i'll try to remember it next time the question comes up (it usually does about once every 6 months), instead of the usual uninteresting answer "if it's not in the rules, then it doesn't work that way".

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat May 17, 2003 4:59 am

What's really bugging me is that I can't even remember what legue it was, to check out if it's in their houserule section or not

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:52 am

sounds like its in the kicking rules darkson

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:03 am

Right another thing not sure if this has been discussed but i don't recall ever reading it

What happens if you blitz with a player and the target dumps off and the blitzing player has passblock?

Can he use his passblock move to head towards the catcher? Would he lose the original block? If he does then dump off couldn't be used.

I believe you can't use passblock if you are blitzing someone, cause in order for them to dump off you have to actually block them and the dump off pass is done before the block, so moving away would mean no block, so therefore dump off can't be used.

Though could he use pass block to move into a better position for the block and maybe also get into a position to intercept as well?

Bit of a mess this one ;]

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat May 17, 2003 11:56 am

Darkson wrote:What's really bugging me is that I can't even remember what legue it was, to check out if it's in their houserule section or not

MBBL while we had the experimental kicking rules.

MBBL2 now that we are using the experimental kicking rules without the field goals.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat May 17, 2003 11:58 am

Grumble ... congrats ... you've asked the first rules question in the last year that I don't have any clue how to answer. I'm not always right, but I usually have a really good grasp on the book ... huh ... on the Q&A it goes.

Galak

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:34 pm

did you see the one about what happens to a touchback when you have no players available to set up at the kickoff?

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:48 pm

You can use pass block, but after all that is over, you've still got to finish your blitz (though i'd say you could then use it against another opponent if you wished).

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:49 pm

yes but you use passblock then there isn't going to be the hit on the player holding the ball, no block means you can't use dump off, no dump off, no throw, nothing to pass block

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:57 pm

I know all that. But you declared a blitz, and you have to finish it, so you may still see the block that started the whole chain reaction.

Realistically speaking, i believe my explanation makes sense. Joe blitzes Bob. Bob, seing him coming, gets rid of the ball (he has to do it before, doesn't make sense to think he does it at the same time). Joe, seeing this, and using his many years of experience of the game, throws his arms in the air in an attempt to intercept. After he's failed (or succeeded), he proceeds to finish what he had started.

I've seen something that looks like this a few times in the CFL.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 3:08 pm

yes but the dump off rules say he can only use it when he gets blocked, by using pass block to move elsewhere that block isn't happening

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat May 17, 2003 3:25 pm

Grumbledook wrote:yes but the dump off rules say he can only use it when he gets blocked, by using pass block to move elsewhere that block isn't happening

I'm pretty sure I agree with Zombie's line of thought. The important element to Dump Off is that he is about to be blocked. This creates an almost Magic the Gathering sequence where frequently things can have effects even though they are removed from the game later in a chain.

So I think the ruling would be this:

Declare Blitz
Declare Block of player with Dump off.
Declare Dump Off
Declare Pass Block
Resolve Pass Block
Resolve Dump Off
Resolve Block ... ... Block MIGHT fizzle
Resolve Blitz

Fizzle is a game term in Magic the Gathering for when an effect doesn't work because when the last in first out order of events resolves its effect now no longer has meaning. I hate to pull out MtG to help with this question, but I do agree that this is how I would rule it for a league.

Now the one part of Zombie's explanation I disagree with is that if he moved out of contact with the Dump Off player that he could move and reblock that player or block someone else. Block declarations are limited to one per player turn unless the player has Frenzy. So I would rule if the player had moved away from the Dump Off player that the player could not block again.

Galak

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat May 17, 2003 3:49 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:
Darkson wrote:What's really bugging me is that I can't even remember what legue it was, to check out if it's in their houserule section or not
MBBL while we had the experimental kicking rules.

MBBL2 now that we are using the experimental kicking rules without the field goals.

Galak

Thanks Galak, that was it. It was a MBBL game last season when I was having a little "issue" with my pitch graphic.