BBRC Hot List - 2003

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue May 20, 2003 2:35 pm

galakstarscraper wrote:"A team scores a TD when one of their players is standing in the opposing team's End Zone while holding the football at the end of any player's action from his own team."

It doesn't make it any clearer to me; to me this reads that you don't score a TD until one of your players (either the one with the ball or another one) finishes his action. Therefore this would suggest that you can't score in the opponents turn. Also, the order of words in this sentence is unclear; with

"end of any player's action from his own team"

do you mean end of the action of any player from the scorers team?

R

Post by **Thadrin** » Tue May 20, 2003 4:38 pm

Why not just say this
"if - at any time - a player is in the opposing team's endzone and has control of the ball a touchdown is awarded to his team."

Doesn't that solve all the problems very simply?

Agentrock · Post by **Agentrock** » Tue May 20, 2003 4:50 pm

Sort of...but I think an arguement can still be made whether he has control of the ball or not in certain situations. We'd almost have to have a definition of what is considered "controlling the ball" as far as timing and actions.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Tue May 20, 2003 5:32 pm

How about if we just forget about TDs and beat the crap out of each other?

Post by **Dave** » Tue May 20, 2003 9:06 pm

now there's a thought

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Tue May 20, 2003 10:42 pm

Thadrin wrote:Why not just say this
"if - at any time - a player is in the opposing team's endzone and has control of the ball a touchdown is awarded to his team."

Doesn't that solve all the problems very simply?

I like this version. We may need to have a Q&A note to explain the obvious - that a player subject to Strip Ball obviously does not have control of it, whereas a player who has been pushed back by a Frenzy but not yet hit a second time obviously does have control of the ball.

Your wording covers scoring in either team's turn and is better than my earlier suggestion because it includes the following situation. (Note that coaches do not have to be logical in these scenarios.)
___
XO
YG

X, Y and G are Skaven, G is a Gutter Runner with Shadowing who is holding the ball. O is an Orc Blitzer trying to defend his End Zone.

Rather than risk a 2D Skaven choice block, the Orc Blitzer dodges to the right, planning to make a 2D block against the Gutter Runner from the right. The GR shadows the Orc, moving into the End Zone. He has control of the ball in the end zone and so should score, even though the Orc's turn has not ended and no Block or other "event" has taken place.

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Wed May 21, 2003 7:15 am

Definitely the way to go. If a player is standing with the ball in the opposing EZ, it's a TD. If you're being knocked down or stripballed, you're obviously not standing there with the ball.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Wed May 21, 2003 7:53 am

Then the second question: If a ball carrier is pushed back into the endzone by the first block of somebody with Frenzy, and thus scores a TD, does the second block stil take place (which might well result in a crowd injury for the scorer) or does play indeed stop entirely, immediately?

R

Post by **Thadrin** » Wed May 21, 2003 7:54 am

The only question then is, does the frenzied player still get his second block?

The obvious rule answer is no...but it would be more fun if he did...

"There goes Ragnar Blackbeard for the Rampagers after Gunther Schumacher...Schumacher is about to score...its this block or the winning TD for the Reavers, Jim!"
"Sure is Bob...contact! but Blackbeard has only managed to shove Schumacher over the goal line! TD for the Reavers!"
"Sure Bob, but Blackbeard is berzerk, and hasn't realised the play is over...he's still going after Schumacher!"
"Schumacher is good at avoiding those blocks Bob, but it looks like he's only got the crowd as an escape route"
"Well Jim, it'll be interesting to see how Schumacher is after that...that's the Norse fans' end of the stadium!"

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Wed May 21, 2003 7:58 am

Hmm. We posted at the same time I guess.

I would say that the second block does take place, because you can never choose not to make it (unless a GFI is needed) and because it is indeed more fun!

R

Post by **Dave** » Wed May 21, 2003 8:46 pm

more fun indeed but another exeption like thing. Tha game should stop when a TD is scored, on all times, an exeption like this, however funny, makes things complicated.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Thu May 22, 2003 7:51 am

If a Frenzier makes a block against somebody, and the block results in a Pushback, he has to make a second block, therefore, not allowing the second block also means you make an exception

R

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Thu May 22, 2003 8:51 am

No exceptions is a crock. the game is full of exceptions. You can't get rid of them unless you play something like checkers!

I like the idea of the TD counting but the 2nd block still taking place!

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Thu May 22, 2003 11:04 am

LRB: "As soon as this happens, play stops"

No, the frenzy player doesn't get to block another time.

If you want a fluff reason: he's outrun by referees/fans jumping in his way, distracted by the events triggered by a TD etc.

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Thu May 22, 2003 11:28 am

he's outrun by referees/fans jumping in his way

Somehow that just doesnt agree with how i think of frenzy.