Rookie Skaven....3 Doubles! Update 13/10

Craigtw · Post by **Craigtw** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:50 pm

Darkson wrote:He doesn't need the MA or Sprint for a OTS build - the 2 heads makes it easier to set up for pushes, as you won't need to worry so much about where the runner ends up.

Granted, you can do the chain pushes to get the GR into position for the OTS, but do you really feel that this is the best way to go about it? Getting Two Heads to rely on chain pushing for a OTS is a bit risky IMO.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:54 pm

I won't get Two-heads to make OTS easier - I'd get it for the general benefits of dodging about, especially with Big Hands. The fact it makes OTS easier is a added bonus if you want to go down that route.

The same as Side Step - the fact it helps with OTS is a bonus, not the reason to take it.

Ullis · Post by **Ullis** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:10 pm

I think Craigtw makes good points. I was a fan of Guard earlier, but I don't see the synergy between Big Hand and Guard. However, the combo of Two Heads and Big Hand is great. The same TZ's that require the use of Big Hand will also mean that the GR will have to dodge in those same zones.

rodders · Post by **rodders** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:26 pm

i wouldn't rely on 2 heads for the ots but it helps when a canny opponent has set to specificly stop a ots

the 2 heads big hand combo i bot a game winner and a game saver as the player becomes more than a one trick pony (unlike a vannila ots specialist with +ma etc) and has so many dimensions added to the game being able to save a game by becomming a ball theif and one turn scorer also using these attributes to win the game

Craigtw · Post by **Craigtw** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:47 pm

Ullis wrote:I think Craigtw makes good points. I was a fan of Guard earlier, but I don't see the synergy between Big Hand and Guard.

I wasn't suggesting that there was any synergy between Guard and the Big Hand. It was just a useful skill to take when offered doubles.

Ullis wrote:However, the combo of Two Heads and Big Hand is great. The same TZ's that require the use of Big Hand will also mean that the GR will have to dodge in those same zones.

Not always - you can move into the TZs where ball is without having to dodge, and then dodge away on a 2+ even without the Two Heads. I am not saying that it is a bad choice, just that I am not a fan. To my mind, the situations where it is needed are not often enough to justify it's use on a AG4 player .

EDIT - I guess I should make note that I am more experienced with the bashy teams (Orcs and Nurgle being my most prominent teams). So dodging is not often my style of play - perhaps if I was able to dodge more effectively I would see new avenues of play. I am man enough to admit that my opinion may be subject to changing with more experience with Skaven.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:40 pm

I've been whopping up on Undeady teams lately by sticking a man on a Ghoul from behind, then dropping another guy into the zone in front of him to force a 4+ dodge. It also works against Elves, though you need a little more cover. Against a Snotling or a two-headed GR, it would be very tough to make anything happen that way.