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Zombie wrote:
Deathwing wrote:...and 20 chess clocks. :D
Like i said, if clocks are not mandatory, you're gonna have time problems, no matter what rules you use. Some people take up to 6 hours to complete a game without a clock. I should know because we have a couple of those in my league.
No you're not. There was one chess clock at the recent Dutch Open, (to be brought out if games were causing problems by over-running). It was necessary to bring it into use once in over a hundred games. You need to play at a fairly brisk pace in tournies, and the vast majority of players can cope fine with that. If people need 6 hours to play a game because there's no clock present then something's very wrong.
Please try and keep practical. Photocopiers, clocks, all very well in theory...in practice you're creating a logistical nightmare. And why? Because you're over-complicating matters.

'We could do *this*...but then we'd require *that* to counteract the added problems caused by *this*'.

If you have 40 players with photocopying rosters required between rounds, if you allow say. 30 secs at the machine each you've got 20 mins of photocopying. If you've got 30 mins between games you've got a problem right there. Oh, and you'll need to put a chess clock on the photocopier to keep things moving. Maybe you could organise a rota system to ease congestion at the machine and keep things moving...

OK, I was being deliberately facetious there, but my point, as I said before, is that the KISS principle is an important part of tourney organisation. You're job is to make it enjoyable for the players. Giving them extra paperwork and photocopying duties etc is just shifting some of the logistics onto their shoulders and has to eat into their free time to grab a bite to eat, a cigarette etc. And for what? So they can play with rosters with more skills on? And with clocks to add a bit of pressure because you've chosen to bog down the natural speed of basic unadulterated BB? For their benefit and enjoyment apparently.
They are there to play. You are there to organise. You're spouting theory from your ivory tower while ignoring practicalities.

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Zombie wrote:Has there ever been a big tournament that wasn't held in a place where there's a photocopy machine nearby? If there wasn't one, it wouldn't be hard for the organizers to find one for the weekend and bring it.
Yeah ... GenCon ... 80 coaches ... no photocopier access ... and GW isn't volunteering to bring one.

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The BB Tourney - 200 coaches, 2 copies per coach, 10 secs per copy.

66 2/3 mins between games.


Not really practical is it? :roll:

And that's not allowing for loading time, checking errors, etc.

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More to the point, I'm yet to attend one where there has been.

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Deathwing wrote:If you have 40 players with photocopying rosters required between rounds, if you allow say. 30 secs at the machine each you've got 20 mins of photocopying. If you've got 30 mins between games you've got a problem right there. Oh, and you'll need to put a chess clock on the photocopier to keep things moving. Maybe you could organise a rota system to ease congestion at the machine and keep things moving...
Even with 200 players, there wouldn't be a problem because not all games finish at the same time, so you'd hardly ever see a line at the photocopy machine at all.

As for chess clocks, 5$ kitchen timers do just as well, and could be provided by the organizers easily since the entry fee is much larger than that.

Besides, like i said, the system i brought up is just a rough sketch. I'm sure that you could think of another system if you don't like photocopies, that would allow for team management. The possibilities are endless.

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The thing is that for some people (even though that's apparently not the case for you personally), team management is half the fun of Blood Bowl. Taking that away from tournaments, when there are ways to keep it and still keep things balanced, is not the way to go IMO.

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I would rather save $5 on the entry price then have to cover the price of a clock. Ive never seen a game at a tournament run so long anyway. The admins go round keeping an eye on progress and will tell you to get a move on. Then a simple 10 minute warning is issued. Not seen a single problem regarding time.

There was over 40 coaches over 6 games at spikey and 40 over 5 at the dutch open. Assuming players know the rules its not that hard to play basic rosters quickly. Also if i find I am playing someone who is being to slow I will give a polite mention to it.

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