Handicap table or Special Play Cards

roysorlie · Post by **roysorlie** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:13 am

Aye.. he he he.

The evil grin...

Theese olf farts can't take the pressure. They will crack with uncertainty.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:35 pm

noodle wrote:Would personally prefer new set of cool cards... (surprise aspect and all that its great )

What did you vote again? Is there a bit of doubt here?

Roy is right. We are gaining terrain!

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:43 pm

Theese olf farts

Some of us are sure of ourselves, and we can spell both these and old.

noodle · Post by **noodle** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:17 am

I voted for cards Draco...

My ideal would be:

New set of cool cards + the old ones (more more more!)

But considering GW are NEVER going to reprint them (GW has gone away from cards and templates for economic reasons, plus they are always getting lost) I would like a better handicap table....

.... but the table would never replace the cards in my heart...

(or league

)

bluetooth · Post by **bluetooth** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:22 pm

noodle wrote:New set of cool cards + the old ones (more more more!)

That would be nice but we know GW. Not a chance. I hope the handicap table is made better, though. Surprising elements are fun

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:55 pm

If they don't want to issue them, we can always make them ourselves! Lets try and help Roy find the cards in pdf format he's looking for.
Furthermore, Galak has cards on his website. Make a nice design and use them! (If everybody in your league accepts that, that is, I mean it's still a democracy!)

Bueno Excellente · Post by **Bueno Excellente** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:17 pm

I'm a keep the cards voter - though I do admit some of them can be a bit excessive. Then again if you're taking on a team much bigger than you you're going to need excessive.

The main argument here against them seems to be that they spoil the pure strategy of bloodbowl.
It's a bit of a silly argument - it doesn't matter how good you are tactically at the game, you still lose if you can't pick up the ball or block effectively.
The whole game is based around chance - yes we do the best to limit the effect that the dice will have (well I do anyway, I hate the spotty little bleeders) - and yes skill does mostly show through - but at the end of the day we're at their mercy.

The cards are just an extension of this randomness.
They have cost me games and they have won me games but they very rarely fail to enliven games.

And something to consider for cool hand fluke:
The greased shoes did make a difference - but I think you're forgetting the blitz I got, that made a serious impact as to how it played out for the first half.
At the end of the day though it was only one player - yes your best player - but would it have gone any different if I'd knocked him down and fouled him off in the first turn?
You get your shot at vengeance soon though - I've drawn you for the semifinals.

John.

Cool Hand Fluke · Post by **Cool Hand Fluke** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:09 pm

Bueno Excellente wrote:I'm a keep the cards voter - though I do admit some of them can be a bit excessive...

And something to consider for cool hand fluke:
The greased shoes did make a difference - but I think you're forgetting the blitz I got, that made a serious impact as to how it played out for the first half.
At the end of the day though it was only one player - yes your best player - but would it have gone any different if I'd knocked him down and fouled him off in the first turn?
You get your shot at vengeance soon though - I've drawn you for the semifinals.

John.

I've given this some thought and on reflection, i'll go for the cards afterall. The more mayhem the better. I guess it's what BB is about.

And John - if you'd have fouled him i had a card that would have cost you a turnover (if only i could remember to play it

) So, i'll be booking my place in the final then, maybe.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:08 am

i'm firmly in the no cards camp, but voted something else as i dont think the handicap table offers the best solution. It would i think if the resulkts are updated.

The cards could work, if and only if there are so balanced in effects that no game breaking result occurs from them and so that they could only be played in your own turn, not the opponents.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:03 pm

McDeth wrote:The cards could work, if and only if there are so balanced in effects that no game breaking result occurs from them and so that they could only be played in your own turn, not the opponents.

I think McDeth plays in a league that does just that ...

A league I really need to get the next round out the door for.

Galak

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:15 pm

McDeth wrote:The cards could work, if and only if there are so balanced in effects that no game breaking result occurs from them and so that they could only be played in your own turn, not the opponents.

I like this idea.

@Galak
So they exist? Where can we see them.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:15 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:
McDeth wrote:The cards could work, if and only if there are so balanced in effects that no game breaking result occurs from them and so that they could only be played in your own turn, not the opponents.
I think McDeth plays in a league that does just that ...

A league I really need to get the next round out the door for.

Galak

Indeed i do

. Although i've not yet taken advantage of them yet.
Maybe i'll get a spellcaster and/or cheerleaders next purchase

noodle · Post by **noodle** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:22 pm

I like the idea that the cards can be played in your opponents turn - its adds to the excitement...

Its annoying and can have a drastic effect on the game, but its the kind of mayhem that I would expect from Blood Bowl

And we played for MANY seasons with cards (er, all of them actually!) and the best players still won, usually

http://usitweb.shef.ac.uk/~wargamessoc/whfb/bloodbowl/

Archives

Don't get me wrong - Cards are for LEAGUE PLAY only... Much like deaths!
(I mean you don't want to pay £££ to go to an event and get pit trap and burst ball against you in the first game....)

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 6:32 pm

Draco wrote:So they exist? Where can we see them.

http://www.midgardbb.com/SpecialCoaches.html for rules on gaining cards.

http://www.midgardbb.com/BloodBowlCards.html for the cards

http://www.midgardbb.com for just about everything

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:54 pm

Thanks Darkson, and have a very good holiday!