Frenzy and Block

Kotobuki · Post by **Kotobuki** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:45 pm

If a player with Frenzy and Block directs a Block or Blitz action at an opposing player with Block, rolls Both Down, and both players elect to use the Block skill to stay standing, may the Frenzied player throw a second block?

Just curious, as this happened multiple times in a game last night, and it felt wrong at the time, but I didn't want to push the issue.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:06 pm

No. There is no push result so there is no 2nd block.

Frankus Macimus · Post by **Frankus Macimus** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:15 pm

I agree with Snew, you have to get "Push" or "Defender Stumbles" which becomes a push if the target has Dodge for Frenzy to kick in.

--Frank

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:42 pm

or a pow/skull turned into a push by the use of the juggernaut skill..

Rustycan · Post by **Rustycan** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:21 am

Hmmmmm, never thought of that one.......

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:43 am

Stand Firm beats Frenzy, then, right?

Rustycan · Post by **Rustycan** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:45 am

yes it does matt.

grampyseer · Post by **grampyseer** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:13 am

Stand firm beats frenzy?

......so does rock still beat scissors?

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:18 am

mattgslater wrote:Stand Firm beats Frenzy, then, right?

not really..as you still rolled the push..and are adjacent to the SFirm player, so you get your frenzy block

bouf · Post by **bouf** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:52 am

Thats true... doesn't it say that the roll needs to be a push etc... Therefore Stand firm does nothing to prevent the 2nd hit. (Since you rolled a push or what-have-you)

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:03 am

Yep, the dice roll needs to be a push result. That is even after the use of skills.
So blitzing with Juggernaut would make a Both Down result change to a pushback result. Frenzy then also would apply.
And blocking a player with dodge and the throwing POW/Dodge would also change into a Push back result and therefor Frenzy applies for that as well.