Quick Snap and being given the ball

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:47 pm

This was asked by a guy in our club that doesn't play BB very often, and although I'm sure the ruling I gave is correct, I couldn't exactly work out why it's correct.

Situation is this: (Given that we know the ball doesn't come down until after the KO result has happened)

Receiveing team gets a Quick Snap, and moves a player (A) into the opponents half. The ball scatters onto A, who makes the catch roll (unnecessarily, I know). The team is awarded a Touchback, and promptly gives the ball back to A.
The new coach queries why the player now in his half can have the ball, when the rules state:

From 'The Kick off' wrote:A kick-off must land in the opponent's half of the pitch.
[snip]
If the ball scatters or bounces off the pitch or into the kicking team’s half, the receiving coach is awarded a ‘touchback’ and must give the ball to any player in his team.

i say it was because that being given the ball from a Touchback isn't listed as a reason to award a Touchback, a Touchback only happens from a Scatter or Bounce.

The coach accepted this, but I just want to check that a) my ruling was correct (I've always played like this, in TT, tourneys and PBeM), and that b) my reasoning is correct.

Tbh, I've never even given this a second thought before, but when he brought it up...

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:50 pm

Well and logical reasoned... though it is kinda weird....

We had an equally strange circumstance come up today: ball scatters out of bounds on the kick... then we rolled a High Kick....

Yeah, inconsequential.... Still strange....

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:05 am

I think you have it right.

First the kick off is resolved, with the following 4 options:

a) ball lands in receiving team's half
b) ball is caught by receiving team's player in his half
c) ball is caught by kicking team's player in opponent's half
d) ball is not in the receiving team's half.

If a)-d) occur, the game goes on as normal. If d) occurs, the ball is given to a player on the receiving team. Nowhere does it say that this player must be in his own half!

Although it is unlikely, if the ruling weren't that way a situation could end up where all of the receiving players have moved into the opponent's half of the field and NONE are eligible to have the ball

That would be amusing!

skritter · Post by **skritter** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:38 am

Just being a bit nitpicky:

But I think it is 3 options.

c) doesn't count. Just the fact it left the receiving teams half, is automatic touchback. No chance to even attemp a catch.

But I agree with giving any player on the kicking team any where.

Wanchor · Post by **Wanchor** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:05 am

I don't think you've understood what was meant there. I'm confident that he was referring to circumstances (well, a Blitz! result, really) when a player on the kicking team can cross into the opponent's half and catch the ball.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:10 am

And you'd be wrong in your confidence.

Darkson wrote:Receiving team gets a Quick Snap, and moves a player (A) into the opponents half.

So the consensus is that I was right, and ruled correctly giving the right reasons.

DAMN, I'm good.

skritter · Post by **skritter** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:37 pm

Wanchor wrote:I don't think you've understood what was meant there. I'm confident that he was referring to circumstances (well, a Blitz! result, really) when a player on the kicking team can cross into the opponent's half and catch the ball.

Yeah! Gotcha. My bad.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:06 am

Skitter - why say "my bad" when I've posted above to say Wanchor is wrong? As the OP, I'm pretty sure I know what I meant and wrote better than he does.

Wanchor · Post by **Wanchor** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:08 am

Darkson wrote:Skitter - why say "my bad" when I've posted above to say Wanchor is wrong? As the OP, I'm pretty sure I know what I meant and wrote better than he does.

hwaet

Jural wrote:First the kick off is resolved, with the following 4 options:

a) ball lands in receiving team's half
b) ball is caught by receiving team's player in his half
c) ball is caught by kicking team's player in opponent's half
d) ball is not in the receiving team's half.

If a)-d) occur, the game goes on as normal. If d) occurs, the ball is given to a player on the receiving team. Nowhere does it say that this player must be in his own half!

I wasn't referring to anything you'd written.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:12 am

I agree, Darkson is right, and for all the right reasons.

skritter- You are indeed nitpicking! To be honest though, with grab or chain blocking, it is possible to have the same situation occur on a blitz. So one of us gets a cookie, or both.

Elyoukey · Post by **Elyoukey** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:49 am

Ihave a similar question, and maybe the answer has already been sent, so i do not create another topic,
what if there is a touchabck and all the players are prone ? (after a pitch invasion for exemple).
What to do with the ball?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:57 am

There's no rule written for that anywhere in the book, so what we do is you give it to a player of your choice, who then immediately drops it (scatter).

khudzlin · Post by **khudzlin** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:03 am

a worse problem would be if there was no player left from the receiving team on the pitch (though it's unlikely to happen in LRB5, because you're allowed to concede without penalties -- beyond losing the match -- if you are unable to field at least 3 players for a kick-off)

in that case, i think the ball should be placed anywhere in the receiving team's half