Handicap: Virus

h0bZ · Post by **h0bZ** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:02 pm

Just a quick question here. The other day we got the handicap result virus off the table. Question was do you still get to fix one of the niggling players automatically by using your apothecary. WE finally ruled this as no you can't because a)handicap is handled before niggling injuries, and b) virus is a special result affecting niggling players not a niggling result as such.
Am interested in how other people handle this or if there has been any official/semi-official ruling.

Cheers.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:53 pm

LRB
pp28 "Alternatively, an Apothecary may be used at the start of the match, to allow one player who is missing the match due to niggling injury to take
part in the game after all. No dice roll is required if the Apothecary is used in this way; he is automatically successful."

pp43 "VIRUS: A mysterious illness breaks out among the opposing team, knocking out the unhealthiest members of the bunch. Any opposing player with a niggling injury is too sick to show up for this match."

As the apoth can be used if you are missing the match "due to niggling injury" I'd say you can use him.

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:17 pm

Here is the last discusion off that question
viewtopic.php?t=6543&start=0
And i still say no just for the record, but i don´t know if its correct.

Yavatol · Post by **Yavatol** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:07 pm

ianwilliams wrote:LRB
As the apoth can be used if you are missing the match "due to niggling injury" I'd say you can use him.

But the players are missing the match "due to a virus" that happens to affect all players with a niggling injury. So I'd say no. I had this the other day and then we ruled it could not be done.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:29 pm

Yavatol wrote:
ianwilliams wrote:LRB
As the apoth can be used if you are missing the match "due to niggling injury" I'd say you can use him.
But the players are missing the match "due to a virus" that happens to affect all players with a niggling injury. So I'd say no. I had this the other day and then we ruled it could not be done.

I'd say, he can play because the player is healed by the APO before the match and has no niggle for that match only. Therefor he is not weak, therfor he can play. Makes sense no?

mikeyc222 · Post by **mikeyc222** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:07 pm

but they don't miss the game because of the nig. they miss the game due to the virus, the nig simply makes them vulnerable to the virus. even if you use the apothecary, they STILL have the nig therefore would still miss the game...just my opinion though.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:26 pm

Fundamentally if my opponents wants to use his apoth on a niggler at all I think more fool him. A bit of bad luck on his part and he's in real trouble.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:25 pm

I always said no as well, as he's more than likely been left at the hotel (or whatever), tucked up in bed with a hot water bottle, than at the ground.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 7:43 pm

I agree with IW in that if my opponent really wanted to use his apo in this way, I wouldn't stop him. It would be very silly of him to do so, IMHO.

Post by **Dave** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:02 pm

the LRB gives Handicap table before Nigs.

So you could actually rule that an Apo could heal a virus, but that the Nig needs to be rolled after that...

hmmmm

mikeyc222 · Post by **mikeyc222** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:16 pm

well, the problem with that is that it doesn't say that an apo can heal a virus. just that "...an apothecary may be used at the start of the match, to allow one player who is missing the match due to niggling injury to take part in the game after all."
as i said earlier, the player misses the game due to virus, not the nig itself. the nig only makes him vulnerable to the virus.

ScottyBoneman · Post by **ScottyBoneman** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:19 pm

mikeyc222 wrote:well, the problem with that is that it doesn't say that an apo can heal a virus. just that "...an apothecary may be used at the start of the match, to allow one player who is missing the match due to niggling injury to take part in the game after all."
as i said earlier, the player misses the game due to virus, not the nig itself. the nig only makes him vulnerable to the virus.

I agree with this- they are not "missing the match due to niggling injury", it is just a qualifying condition to miss the game due to a virus.

'Ed Basha' · Post by **'Ed Basha'** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:57 am

the apo is used after you have failed a niggling injury roll. basically the whining guy with the gimpy leg says, ' uh coach, I don't think I can play today, and the apo comes up and shoots him full of painkillers and gets him on the pitch'

since the virus got to him before he even showed up for the game and started whimpering about his bum knee, the apo can't fix him for the game

so basically, no

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:02 am

I'd say no, you cant use the apoth

Yavatol · Post by **Yavatol** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:52 am

ianwilliams wrote:Fundamentally if my opponents wants to use his apoth on a niggler at all I think more fool him. A bit of bad luck on his part and he's in real trouble.

Unless you are playing this killer team who has this frenzy, block, tackle, might blow, piling on black orc with a niggling you really don't want to play.