Developing a team built around intercepting

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Scipio_Publius wrote:@yavatol - Do you find that opponents really have to change their play style and spread their teams out to deal with the Pass Blocking and Leaping threat? (ie...go man to man)
Not everyone does, but when played right it is the most effective tactic I have seen used against me. When my opponent wants to score fast he has little other options.
With the pass blocking leaping threat positioning becomes really important, for both teams. The problem for a team that wants to score fast is that he needs to move the ball back to his endzone to stay out of blitz range. Then he needs to be able to pass either in his half and hand-off in mine or vice versa. If he only has the option to pass in either one of the halves, it is to easy for me to position my pass blockers in the most effective place. This means he needs to spread out his players (ball carier way close to his endzone, receivers deep into my half, 'way-stations' at various positions in between). A spread out play is better for WE, as my higher movement gives me an edge. And I get hit less / can dodge easier, etc.
If he makes a mistake somewhere in his first turn it can go really bad. if a way station is vurnurable to be blitzed or swamped I still might be able to dictate where the pass is going to occur and position pass blockers accordingly.
So to counter passblocking without resolving to cage he needs to plan his play carefully, and most likely in a different way he does normally. So he is prone to make a few mistakes. On the other hand, for me positioning is also important. But because I am dictating this play I also have more experience with it.

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Oh, and I should mention that when I go for a pass block I leave the widezones open on the defensive set up. This is to lure my opponent deep into my half (and also to protect my pass blockers and WDs for a blitz). Most opponents take the bait.

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I'll remember that one should we meet in two weeks :P

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Sixpack595 wrote:Pass Block is great even without intercepting, if only for the added TZ you can put on people. Suddenly that guy 2 GFIs and 2 more squares away has a defender on him if they try to pass. With only 3 skills dedicated to it, and the high number of Ints it looks good. I guess the bottom line is are you winning?

Excellant point and the more TZ's he has the better chance to fumble which is nice. I need more Pass Blockers at this point to pull it off.

So far my record is 9 and 1 but this is nothing to boast about I assure you. Not yet anyway. At this point in the league wins are not all that important but rather the teams developement. I have not got enough Pass Blockers yet. Three of the four players that I have planned to get Pass Block are one level away and I am working on the Line Elfs for the next game (need 3 TD's). That leaves 4 games to get the remaining 3 players Pass Block (should be feasable). Roster looks roughly as such...

Thrower - Accurate, Sure Hands
WD 1 - Side Step, Jump Up
WD 2 - Side Step, +1AG
Catcher 1 - Block, Side Step, Dauntless (Probably should have taken NoS)
Catcher 2 - Block, Side Step, Pass Block
Line Elf (1-4) - Block
Line Elf 5 - +1 ST, Block
Line Elf 6 - Block, Kick
Lineman 7 - Block, Side Step
Treeman

3 Re-rolls
11 FF
1 Apoth
1 Assistant Coach
TR = 190

Next Purchase will be another catcher then RR.

Its too soon to tell if the strategy will work. Like I said I think I should have picked Pass Block sooner because I had a few doubles oppurtunities and stat increases that delayed Pass Block (Funny that I hardly ever roll these but I have rolled a lot on this team). :lol:

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Yavatol wrote:Oh, and I should mention that when I go for a pass block I leave the widezones open on the defensive set up. This is to lure my opponent deep into my half (and also to protect my pass blockers and WDs for a blitz). Most opponents take the bait.
Didn't think of that. Good idea.

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Dave wrote:I'll remember that one should we meet in two weeks :P
I'm not gonna pass block at the dutch open, to few skills...
Maybe I'll try again at the massacre

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Safe Throw + NOS kills that kind of tactic. You ought to get Diving Tackle on the pass blockers.

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harald wrote:Safe Throw + NOS kills that kind of tactic. You ought to get Diving Tackle on the pass blockers.
Or shadow.

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It seems the best team for this tactic are woodelves, but they are also the most vulnerable to a cage rolling up the pitch. Is there a good way to encourage teams with the choice of tactic to choose passing?
Do crunchy teams have your passblocking team for lunch?

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I love my FA-passblockers on my Chaos-Team... the opponent struggles hard, to get a reasonable pass, as one passblocker can add a -2-modifier.. even pro-elves are pissed off...

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duff wrote:Do crunchy teams have your passblocking team for lunch?
A developed wardancer can break a cage. If you manage to break the cage, you force the crushing team to move the ball to equalize. As time runs out you get more chances of pass blocking. If you succeed this puts him behind even more, meaning he has to score even faster, etc. ect.
I beat a more numerous, higher teamrating, caging, tackling, guarding, mighty blowing human team 6-0 this way. Of course luck, played a large part to get so many TDs, but it only takes a little bit of luck on my part to start the cycle.

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I think I agree that intercepting is a low-win% strategy because it depends on your your opponent's style. That being said, it is pretty amusing.

Anyone considering going this route might want to consider skaven instead so that a doubles on the skill roll for the gutter runners can become Very Long Legs with it's +1 INT.

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a cat based new team could justify lots of starting passblock (and perhaps catch). Hearing about a tiger snapping a peacock out of the air and watching my pet moggy go after a thrown ball shows they have the native talent

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Building a team around intercepting is putting the cart before the horse. What do you hope to achieve through a large number of interceptions othehr than fluff?

I've built teams around passblock quite frequently (it combines well with Foul Appearance on a skav team). The main point is to shut down a passing game, cutting off options for the opponent. Better still, blunt their run at the same time you get passblockers into the backfield and you've got an almost guaranteed turnover.

Intercepting is forcing one specific error from your opponent. I'd rather have the opportunity to force a large number of errors.

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Most people here were talking about the threat of intercepting. So doesn't that ammount to the same thing? Or am I missing some thing here?

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