re-rolls at kick-off

bitMonkey · Post by **bitMonkey** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:40 am

I give up. If this's been clarified in another thread already then I sure can't find it.

(i) Can you use a team/leader re-roll to re-roll an attempt to catch the ball as it bounces/scatters during kick-off? I'm pretty sure the answer is no since it is not technically the recieving team's turn yet... ?

(ii) Can you use Pro to attempt the same re-roll? Again I guess the answer is no since Pro can only be used once per team turn, and it's technically neither the recieving or kicking team's turn yet... ?

noodle · Post by **noodle** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:43 am

No you can't use a team reroll.

I don't think you can use pro, for the same reason, but I'm not sure... There will be an expert along any minute...

Post by **Dave** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:53 am

here??

I think you can use Pro as you can also use it during you opponent's turn. On the other hand it's no one's turn when the ball lands.. that would make is No. On the other hand again, you would be able to Pro it when you had a blitz and got a player under the ball ....

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:11 am

I say yes on pro since you can also use catch if you had that skill.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:14 am

Yes, skill based re-rolls can be used at every time (the catch skill description even mentions that you can re-roll interceptions). Team/Leader RRs can only be used duting your own turn.

So the answer is yes.

noodle · Post by **noodle** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:27 am

Yeah having looked I would agree that you can use pro

(not that I'm going with the crowd or anything....)

slup · Post by **slup** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:13 pm

I would say no to pro.
Pro can only be used once during any team turn (opposite team included).
Pro can be used during a blitz, since it is a turn (you can also use TeamRR during a blitz), but catching the ball as it lands after kick-off is a sort of no-turn situation like regenerate and recovering from knocked out.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:39 pm

I don't agree bc with your argumentation

It cleary says TRR only in your turns, but personal skill-RRs are not mentioned and therefore I would say anytime as long is it's on the pitch.
Why should I be allowed to use skill-RRs during the opponents turn but not during kick-off? Why does the kicker is allowed to use his skill during kick-off? (silly, but according to your concept of no-turn timing a valid question)

bitMonkey · Post by **bitMonkey** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:15 pm

Catch is not that interesting since the description does not mention team turns.

Pro is different, cuz it clearly states that it can only be used once per team turn. So I shouldn't be able to use it when it is neither teams turn... right? Still, it is a bit odd that a pro suddenly turns ''unprofessional'' during kick off.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:07 pm

bitMonkey wrote:Catch is not that interesting since the description does not mention team turns.

Pro is different, cuz it clearly states that it can only be used once per team turn. So I shouldn't be able to use it when it is neither teams turn... right? Still, it is a bit odd that a pro suddenly turns ''unprofessional'' during kick off.

Don't look at the skill descriptions at the skill section but the Re-roll rules on p. 15. It clearly says you can use catch on the opponents turns

That Pro says only once per team turn is nothing unusual, you can use any one skill only once per player per turn anyway. That sentence means that you may use Pro only once to re-roll regardless how many different skills you use in one turn.

So again I'm asking, you are allowed to use kick and catch on a kick-off but not Pro? Come on...

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:12 pm

I would also say yes too Pro, it makes sense if you can use catch and kick and so on.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:31 pm

I think literally you can't use Pro, but I've always played that Pro works for catching during a KO.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:34 pm

ianwilliams wrote:I think literally you can't use Pro,...

Why?

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:40 pm

LRB pp36

Pro (General Skill)
... Once per team turn...

As others have pointed out KO is not a team turn, while the Catch skill only refers to catching the ball, not to team turns.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 4:26 pm

LRB p. 15

"A coach may use any number of player re-rolls in the same turn,..."

it says same turn, not team turn or your turn.

Pro says
"Once per team turn"

This is contradicting each other

I think "team turn" has been typed here with the same amount of thinking like typing that "hand-off is a type of very short-pass".

I see the point that you can pinpoint Pro to a team turn, but you could also say once per any team turn, right? It does not say once per your team turn.

Anyway, you are allowed to use a catch RR to catch the ball during a KO but not a Pro RR to catch a ball, even when Pro is dublicating skills like catch, dodge, pass and sure hands?

I think the argumantation based on the words "team turn" is weak and against the idea of player re-rolls and the Pro skill. And as I said you could also read it as once per "any" team turn...