Hypnotic gaze and tackle zones

darthvincor · Post by **darthvincor** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:48 pm

Suppose you have a vampire and he hypnotizes an enemy player. The vampire then blocks another player who is standing next to the hypnotized player. Can this hypnotized player assist the player being blocked?

I think he can't.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:52 pm

he only loses his tackle zone

and as the rules stand that doesn't stop you assisting, same with fialing bonehead etc

of course he can only assist if not in another enemy tz or he has guard
but note that cause he doesn't have a tz any more he doesn't stop other assists for the blocking player, even if they don't have guard

so basically yes he can still assist

darthvincor · Post by **darthvincor** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:04 pm

I see. But it seems so odd, if you imagine it in real life. If he's hypnotized, he can basically just stand still and do nothing else. How does he assist if he can't move?

Grumbledook wrote:he only loses his tackle zone

and as the rules stand that doesn't stop you assisting, same with fialing bonehead etc

of course he can only assist if not in another enemy tz or he has guard
but note that cause he doesn't have a tz any more he doesn't stop other assists for the blocking player, even if they don't have guard

so basically yes he can still assist

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:05 pm

darthvincor wrote:I see. But it seems so odd, if you imagine it in real life. If he's hypnotized, he can basically just stand still and do nothing else. How does he assist if he can't move?

Its on the Hot List to change it so it works like you think it should.

Galak

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:10 pm

Question is will the bbrc see it the way most of us do, and will they see it this year.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:19 pm

sean newboy wrote:Question is will the bbrc see it the way most of us do, and will they see it this year.

Well I know the opinions of 2 of them on this.

One of them thinks it should be changed so they are like they aren't there.

Another thinks it has a lot of merit, but was concerned it would Hypnotic Gaze too good. However, he was willing to admit that the change to OFAB does severely reduce the effectiveness of HGaze.

Galak

darthvincor · Post by **darthvincor** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:47 pm

(What's OFAB, by the way?)

About hypnotic gaze being too good. It is a racial characteristic after all, so it can't be learned by most players.
In fact, I think only vampires can use it. And they are quite expensive, like Count Luthor.
I think that to be hypnotized, is to basically not be there, and only occupy space on the board.
Lets hope they change the rule then. As the old rule contributed to a 4-3 loss of my Undead against the Skaven. (if I remember correctly)

GalakStarscraper wrote:
sean newboy wrote:Question is will the bbrc see it the way most of us do, and will they see it this year.
Well I know the opinions of 2 of them on this.

One of them thinks it should be changed so they are like they aren't there.

Another thinks it has a lot of merit, but was concerned it would Hypnotic Gaze too good. However, he was willing to admit that the change to OFAB does severely reduce the effectiveness of HGaze.

Galak

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:05 pm

OFAB=Off For A Bite