dwarf vs elves\undead\lizardmen?

skaldrik · Post by **skaldrik** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:15 am

hi
anyone have tips for dwarves vs high elves
undead
lizardmen
how should i deposit my team

i have 2 blitzers
2 runners
1 trollslayer
6 longbeards, one also has diving tackle
3 rerolls
fanfactor of 5 , but now it is 4

it would be nice if someone helped me

thank you
cheers

Blackscale · Post by **Blackscale** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:25 am

Vs. Lizardmen:

-make a deep defense, otherwise the skinks will simply run past you. Even the ST4 Sauri are faster than most of your players.
-always block skinks with your tackle players
-take risks against the sauri. Just put block players (almost your whole team) next to them. Sauri do not have block and they will go down a lot. The lizardman player will be through his rerolls quickly.
-Take risks and make 2 against 1 blocks. Your opponent will often have to choose a bad result for him and your high armor and thick skull should provide more than enough protection. Of course, do this after doing all important things!
-Take your time.

skaldrik · Post by **skaldrik** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 8:50 am

thanks for the tips against lizardmen
hope they work out good

Heiper · Post by **Heiper** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 9:52 pm

Since this is a "new" dwarf team, you are not nearly as strong as the other "bash" teams, BUT you have Block all over. I guess you already know that guard/stand firm are your primary skills when you get them.

So now, against the Lizards, as Blackscale said, defend deep. I've never had any problems with Lizardmen with my dwarfs so far, but I think that was becuz the one I played against, wasn't the best coach

Always have someone on a saurus. They won't dodge with a Saurus becuz of the 1AG, and as long as you have them where you want to, you can practicly control the game. Long Beards with Tackle should scare those Skinks pretty good. All you really have to do is to keep those Saurus where you want them, and the rest will be easy. (Ofc if this guy is a really good coach, things will never be easy)

Undead, well......I'm not the expert on Undead. I usually have a really hard time playing Undead teams, no matter what team I play. But I would guess that his Mummys doesn't have Block yet, so put a longbeard on each. This might sound scary, but at least that will keep them from doing harm where HE wants to. Go on Ghoul hunting when you get the chance, as they can't regenerate. The Whights seem to be my biggest problem when playing this team, and still dont have anything worthwhile to say to stop them, at least not without some development on your team. Sorry.

High Elfs
I'm actually going to play my next Dwarf game against the exact same team

Here you could try the classic 2-1 win. If you can turn their attack, great, but it will be hard. Usually this team will be able to score in 2 turns easy, even with your Tackle players. Now on your attack, grind through them. Most won't have block, so they will come down pretty easy. with 7 turns to score, just take your time and plan to score in the very last turn. You just need to control the time. I would usually make some kind of a "Cage" (something you can read about if you search on the forum for CAGE) and just block/blitz my way to victory. The HE doesn't have a WarDancer to just leap in and grab the ball, and to try a block game with Dwarfs would kill them. Dwarfs are made to against Elfs, and win

Be sure to use your Tackle the right places, as that might save the day.

Hope this helps a bit. I'm a pretty unexperienced coach myself, so do wait for someone more experienced on the board to reply before you trust my advice completly. I'm sure they will have something to add

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 11:11 pm

Just curious... Are you playing third edition? If not, why did you give your longbeard diving tackle? I mean, the most obvious route is to give him stand firm and then guard, to make him a major pain in the ass...

skaldrik · Post by **skaldrik** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:04 am

Heiper thanks a lot for your long reply,hope i could write so much...

Well actually I played against HE the other day and lost 1-0,
but that wasn't so bad because he's a quite good player.
But I did get shocked when I figured that 6 of his HE had Block
and one of his dragon guys had guard and thus he made the game hell for me.
The worst thing was that he was really enjoying to play with me,
i.e. whenever i asked him if i could possibly do sth, he would answer "yeah think so" but after i did it he would tell me that that move was not alowed, come on it's first my second game.

And I thought that diving tackle was quite useful, cause most of my enemies have dodge and always use it, combined with tackle they hardly ever manage to pass this guy.

Cheers

skaldrik · Post by **skaldrik** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:07 am

This is a question to Sushe

which army do you play?
and yes i did think of giving him stand firm and guard, but i'll give that to the others instead

PS: how do you get that line above the e ? I still don't know how to do that

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:13 am

skaldrik wrote:The worst thing was that he was really enjoying to play with me, i.e. whenever i asked him if i could possibly do sth, he would answer "yeah think so" but after i did it he would tell me that that move was not alowed, come on it's first my second game.

Nothing to say but "What an ar*ehole!"

Heiper · Post by **Heiper** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:04 am

Darkson wrote:
skaldrik wrote:The worst thing was that he was really enjoying to play with me, i.e. whenever i asked him if i could possibly do sth, he would answer "yeah think so" but after i did it he would tell me that that move was not alowed, come on it's first my second game.
Nothing to say but "What an ar*ehole!"

Can't agree more.

Dwarf is a hard team to start with, so in this "learning" period you should expect to lose a bit. The slow movment doesn't allow them to do many mistakes. Fast teams like Wood Elfs or Skaven can quite easy fix a position mistake with their immense speed. So the best advice I can give you is to think twise about the position of every player you have, ahhh keep your dwarfs pretty close to each other. They don't have the movment to cover the whole field like other teams.

And for the Diving Tackle, the main reason many Dwarf coaches don't take it, is the fact that your player will then be on the ground, and lose 3 in movment. They are already pretty slow without 3 less in MA

Good luck in your future games.

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Mon Jul 21, 2003 9:30 pm

skaldrik wrote:which army do you play?

I play norses, mainly.

skaldrik wrote:PS: how do you get that line above the e ? I still don't know how to do that

That's because I use the spanish keyboard config. I'm not sure if there is such key in the english setting.

skaldrik · Post by **skaldrik** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:55 pm

Thanks guys

and by the way, what do you mean I loose 3 MA, I thought that the other guy gets -2 on his dodge thing doesn't he, because if he falls down then, I don't really see the use of Diving tackle.

Cheers

How's Norse to play with? More like Elves or Humans or do they just bash everything away?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:58 pm

If you use diving tackle, to make -2 to the dodge, you go prone, meaning you have to expend 3MV to stand up in your turn.

skaldrik · Post by **skaldrik** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:20 pm

Ahhh, that's what it means,
thank you for telling me

Cheers

PS anyone have tips against Undead, really need them

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:41 pm

skaldrik wrote:PS anyone have tips against Undead, really need them

Put the game off for 6 months, and the BBRC will disband them.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:50 pm

Sushé Wakka wrote:
skaldrik wrote:which army do you play?
I play norses, mainly.
skaldrik wrote:PS: how do you get that line above the e ? I still don't know how to do that
That's because I use the spanish keyboard config. I'm not sure if there is such key in the english setting.

The é schould work if you change the keyboard setting to VS -International as well!