Origin of a rule...

Count Zappa · Post by **Count Zappa** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:49 am

In our league, we use this rule...

When you pick up the range ruler, you have declared a pass. Your ball carrier must throw the ball, and it must be from the square he is currently in. You can't move him into a better range.

But I can't remember where the rule came from. Is it in the original 3rd edition rule book? A compendium? Have any of you seen it before?

TiMuN · Post by **TiMuN** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:11 am

I think it was 2nd edition, it said something like that. You couldn't meassure the range, and you have to throw a pass from the very square you are in right in that moment.

My memory fails more than those carnival shooting spots carabines ...

Biff Smackwell · Post by **Biff Smackwell** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:11 am

First of all, the coach must declare that the player is
taking a Pass action. The player can throw the football
to another player in his own team (or another player in
the opposing team if he really wants to), or simply to an
empty square, though obviously the first of these options
will be the most useful – and may keep him from being
attacked by his own team members! The ball may only
be passed once per turn.
Next, the coach must measure the range using the
range ruler. It is perfectly acceptable to pre-measure
the range to several players at any point during the
throwing player's move before you declare the target of
the pass.

It seems that by the exact wording in the Living Rulebook, you can't measure until a pass action is declared. It also says It is perfectly acceptable to pre-measure the range to several players at any point during the throwing player's move before you declare the target of the pass.

By this wording, it seems that you should be able to position your player, measure, and if you still have MA and don't like the range, continue moving, then measure again.

However, I think the Living Rulebook should be clarified in this point.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:07 am

you can measure whenever you want to as many times as you want to, to whatever square that you want to

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:26 am

The official sequence goes a follows:
1. declare pass with a player
2. move with that player (and if you want pick up tha ball)
3. after you have stopped moving take the range ruler
4. measure the ranges to whoever you like (driving the opponent crazy)
5. declare to whom you are passing (or which square if you want to pass in an empty square)
6. Move any opponent's pass blocker
7. Roll for interception
8. Roll for pass
9. Roll for catch

You're right you could read the rules as you might be allowed to continue your move after measuring the range, but that is prohibited by one thing:

You declare your pass action and may move up to your MA before passing. Measuring comes into effect only after you have stopped moving. You move before your pass action is resolved but you are only allowed to measure during the pass action not during the move beforehand which is strictly speaking not part of the pass action but just an allowance to move to the point where you want to pass from (like foul)

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:19 am

narkotic wrote: You declare your pass action and may move up to your MA before passing. Measuring comes into effect only after you have stopped moving. You move before your pass action is resolved but you are only allowed to measure during the pass action not during the move beforehand which is strictly speaking not part of the pass action but just an allowance to move to the point where you want to pass from (like foul)

That's not correct. A Pass action does not only include throwing the ball, but also the movement before. Otherwise you would not have to call the "Pass" action before you stopped your move (but you have to declare before starting to move).

Can it be any clearer than this:

It is perfectly acceptable to pre-measure
the range to several players at any point during the
throwing player's move before you declare the target of
the pass.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:32 am

Hhm, you're right. So, playing it by the book a Skaven Thrower having the ball would enable you to move 7 sqaures before throwing the ball and you are allowed to measure distances after every of the 7 sqaures? What is strange about this is that this particularly text passage has been added in LRB 2.0.

The question is what Andy Hall specifically meant with "throwing player's move". Seems to be a another loophole bc the rules are not written in a foolproof way. But as it stands now you can re-measure after every square of movement

mikeyc222 · Post by **mikeyc222** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:56 pm

narkotic wrote:Seems to be a another loophole bc the rules are not written in a foolproof way.

sounds pretty self explanitory(foolproof) to me. it says quite plainly that the range can be measure at anytime DURING the players movment. i don't think it needs any clarification at all as it is quite clear.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:01 pm

Basicly i don't see a need to restrict measuring passes, esp. IF you are using the "4 min. per turn" rule. If not, i think it's still perfectly acceptable to measure a few times, i don't see somebody measuring at any movement square.

Usually i do it like this (with relaxed coaches):

- check where the player with the ball can go.
- check possible receivers
- check possible ranges and interceptors (with/without dodges or GFI) using the ruler
- make a decison
- call a pass
- move to a square
- do a final measurement
- throw the ball

However, i do 95% of the passes without the ruler at all as i think most of us know the range limit at least for a quick pass (3 squares up, 1 across) by heart.

In our league we use a pass table to avoid discussion. Yes, i know that not all squares on the field are EXACTLY the same size, but i don't think of this as it is meant to be this way. The table is also nice for tournaments when you play on home made pitches.

Joaquim · Post by **Joaquim** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:53 pm

And if your opponent just measures every square every time.... well, he doesn't deserve to play BB!!...

Unless this is only part of a greater plan to annoy you, then....

Joaquim · Post by **Joaquim** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:56 pm

Tim, do you have that table somewhere online? Or can you send it to me?
I was working on a field with bigger squares (so Bigs fit nicely), and was thinking of taking a enlarging photocopy of the ruler... but this works better: no distortion, no copyright...

Joaquim · Post by **Joaquim** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:57 pm

Note: I'm doing this in separate replys on porpose: I want to be part of the 100 top posters again!!..

Biff Smackwell · Post by **Biff Smackwell** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:27 pm

Looking at it in a 'real-world' sense, it makes sense that you can measure the pass during your movement, cause a quarterback can move around, while he's looking for someone to throw the ball to. Sure, he doesn't have a big ass ruler to measure with, but you all know what I mean.

Anyways, I think maybe the Living Rulebook should differentiate between a player's move and a player's movement. The player's move is obviously when you pick a player to go next, his move is to either Pass or Move or Blitz or Block or whatnot. His movement is when he's actually moving due to a Move or Blitz action. I dunno. Could be clearer.

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:25 am

I think it just depends on how much emphasis your league puts on sportmanship. I can't imagine taking the game so seriously that if someone picked up the range ruler I would force them to pass from there. We have always allowed opponets to measure out a few squares to see where they want to throw from.

MixX · Post by **MixX** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:14 am

Xtreme wrote:I think it just depends on how much emphasis your league puts on sportmanship. I can't imagine taking the game so seriously that if someone picked up the range ruler I would force them to pass from there. We have always allowed opponets to measure out a few squares to see where they want to throw from.

Amen! (I was going to say that it was true with the moving-and-measuring-to-your-hearts-content thingy, but it has been hammered out nice and clear already, so I'm not going to waste precious time typing that piece of text, as it would mean I had way too much time on my hands, with nothing better to do that hang around forums all day, while waiting for the next round in the tournament, and working on getting rid of my Pepsi-addiction..)