What's the SPP for big guys ?

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:33 pm

The guy runing our league, Arkhandzar, tells us that BG evolves at double XP than normal player.

Is that so or....

I'm just checking.

I don't really mind since we all play like that but even so.

Cheers

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 3:43 pm

That's the old (3rd edition) rules. With the LRB, they now progress the same as everyone else, but can't lose their negative traits anymore.

Martyn

l_dauguet · Post by **l_dauguet** » Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:05 pm

Cheers. I remember that now. Well, that promesses some good arguments in our league

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:47 pm

well if the arguments get too out of hand, you could just show them the rulebook.

they are right, though. Rookie big guys were FORMERLY on a seperate spp table where they had to get 11 to get to their first skill, then 21, and so on. but they could also take +st or +av on any double, or they could lose a negative skill.

I like the way it works now a lot better. lot more simple and streamlined.

Shadow Monkey · Post by **Shadow Monkey** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:26 pm

I still play it where Big Guys can lose negative traits, but only if they roll duobles. Other than that, they progress the same as anyone else.

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:03 pm

Allowing them to lose negatraits is only going to allow them to become to good and overpower the league.

Shadow Monkey · Post by **Shadow Monkey** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:21 am

Not really...they still have to roll doubles to get rid of them, and while other players are using their double rolls to get the good stuff, the big guys are either taking the good stuff or using them up to get rid of the bad stuff.

harley_topper · Post by **harley_topper** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:46 am

They get to overpowered if you allow them to loose the negative traits.

Just think about minotaurs and rat ogres to get rid of wild animal.

Alesdair · Post by **Alesdair** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:28 am

We allow them to remove neg skills on dubs...
BUT
they don't become over powered because they only have regualer access to ST Skills...
General skills like block are only getable on Dubs...
So often the coach won't remove the neg-skill on their first dubs roll because a lack of block was more damaging.

Ofcource we could come inline with the LRB, but for now we find our way balanced and not overpowering.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:31 pm

Big guys are already overpowered just because they have a 5 strength. Being able to lose one of the only things that hold them in check would make them way too good.

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:51 pm

Once they lose that negative skill it becomes much easier to collect spps and then it is only a matter of time before you have an unstoppable monster on your hand.

Shadow Monkey · Post by **Shadow Monkey** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:13 pm

Big guys who can get rid of their negative traits become no more unstoppable than the Star Players. Most players in our league set their sites on powerful players anyway, and therefore they don't live long enough to become too powerful. Not to mention that rolling doubles is pretty rare. A lot of people would rather gain something good than get rid of something bad on such a rare roll.

Other problems with big guys is that you can only have one on your team (unless you're playing goblins or halflings), and they're so damn expensive. Most coaches won't fork out the cash to get one until late in the season.

Gaining a positive trait can, and often is, just as powerful (if not more powerful) as losing a negative trait. Let's use an ogre as an example. They only have one negative trait...Bone Head. That's only a 1 in 6 chance that he'll have a brain fart. If he rolls doubles for his Star Player Roll, he would have the choice of getting rid of Bone Head, or gaining Dauntless(no real bonus to an ogre), Frenzy, Leader, Nerves of Steel, or Stand Firm. Out of those options, Frenzy, Leader, and Stand Firm could benefit the ogre just as much or more than getting rid of Bone Head.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:30 pm

you used to be able to lose the negative trait and big guys were a problem, its not like it hasn't been tested before

using the ogre as an example is bad as well as its considered that bonehead is too weak a negative trait

its the piling on rsc rate ogres and minotaurs that would lose their wild animal that are the problem

losing wild animal would be of far more benefit than any of the other choices available

same with take root as they have stand firm already really stupid can be a right pain and i would happily get rid of that instead of taking a double skill

at the end of the day i can't see the rules ever changing with regards to them losing their negative traits

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:21 am

Big guys who can get rid of their negative traits become no more unstoppable than the Star Players.

Completly agre that is why I want them to have the negatraits.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:21 am

Grumbledook wrote:at the end of the day i can't see the rules ever changing with regards to them losing their negative traits

And the game is much more fun because of it! You never know what is going to happen.