RR Question

[Bifi]

Is it legal to use RR for the direction of the goblin fanatic's movement? Or for his cardiac roll?

Thanks...

[narkotic]

NO, you cannot use RRs for random rolls (scatter, Kick off) or for rolls not involving conscious actions of players.

[DoubleSkulls]

Is it legal to use RR for the direction of the goblin fanatic's movement? Or for his cardiac roll?

Thanks...

I think you can.

LRB pp15

A coach may use a team re-roll to re-roll a dice roll for an action carried out by a player in their own team during their own team turn.

I don't see any problem in the direction or heart attack are part of the player's actions - and they are certainly being taken by the player.

[Longshot]

heart attack=>IMHO, i would say no..but not sure about the official rules.
It is the same than for, can you reroll a bonehead roll...(in a Ogre team, for me : no)

Scatter: well, one more time i would no cos i believe this is only for your players...but i dont know the rules about that, it happen during your turn, so you might be able to use it.

[narkotic]

@ianwilliams: Following your argumantation, it would be also legal to use a RR on a blunderbuss roll, wouldn't it?

[Asmodan]

I think no on scatter and yes on heart attack.
No because its like scattering the ball i feel and yes on heart attack because.....no idea just remember that someone answered yes on it sometime.

[narkotic]

@longshot: I'm pretty sure that you can re-roll bonehead with Pro (and with a TRR in an Ogre team). Haven't got a bulletproof rules definition, though.

Just my feelings:
Fanatic movement/scatter: no (=it's a random/scatter roll)
Fanatic heart attack: yes (=looks like Bonehead to me)
Fanatic heart attack result: no (=it's some sort of injury roll)
Blunderbus roll: no (= secret weapon mechanic)
Bonehead: yes (=why everyone is talking of taking pro then if not?)
Start chainsaw: yes (=it's an agility roll, alas a player action)
Fuse bomb: uncertain, is it a secret weapon mechanic? or a player action?

[Dave]

Fanatic heart attack: yes (=looks like Bonehead to me)
Fanatic heart attack result: no (=it's some sort of injury roll)

and what if you consider the first roll the armour roll ?? I'd say no RR on either

[Bifi]

Well, now I'm bit confused. Didn't this make it to the BBRC Hotlist?

[DoubleSkulls]

@ianwilliams: Following your argumantation, it would be also legal to use a RR on a blunderbuss roll, wouldn't it?

The "pass roll" yes? Why wouldn't it be?

I think no on scatter and yes on heart attack.
No because its like scattering the ball i feel and yes on heart attack because.....no idea just remember that someone answered yes on it sometime.

The difference, IMO, is that the ball is scattering in one instance, and your player in another - you can RR player "actions".

[narkotic]

@ianwilliams: Following your argumantation, it would be also legal to use a RR on a blunderbuss roll, wouldn't it?

The "pass roll" yes? Why wouldn't it be?

It's not a "pass roll", it's not modified by any player stat and there is no corresponding skill. The text says "...nominate a square anywhere on the field, and then roll a dice to see where the ball comes down." Looks hardly like a pass roll to me, it's more of a Kick off or throw in. So, no passing rules are involved and the dice roll isn't modified by anything on or off-pitch. I don't know if the blunderbuss roll qualifies for a "player action" in terms of RR eligiblity.

[Bifi]

The same is then the fanatic's movement. There is no corresponding skill, it is a secret weapon, and it is questionable in the terms of being a "standard action".

[Asmodan]

Yeah it all depends on if you consider him being forced to move randomly around an action or not.
I say no because its a secret weapon which force him to go randomly around.
But thats just my opinion and it might not be correct with the oficial ruling.

[voyagers_uk]

I am with Ian on this. cannot see logically why you would say no

[voyagers_uk]

I am with Ian on this. cannot see logically why you would say no