Vampire COFAB ... Stats???

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 2:25 am

Guys need some help here.

Andy Hall has one Vampire team in the Triple B league and the guy is 0 wins - 5 losses. So this is leading to thoughts from talking to this guy that COFAB is too powerful of a negatrait. With October around the corner ... I would like to be able to send him some more information to show that the Triple B just has got a cr*p coach running the team. Especially since a Vampire team might make the championship in my league this season.

In the MBBL, the Vampire team using COFAB is 12 wins - 12 losses - 1 tie for the 3 teams that were playtesting the COFAB rules. From the MBBL testing the team is looking pretty balanced so far. Stats for Vampire games at:
http://www.midgardbb.com/MBBL/NewOFAB_MBBLResults.htm

I tried looking at the FUMBBL data but the problem is that the league played with the old OFAB rules for sometime before switching to COFAB and I cannot be for certain how the Vampire teams are doing since they started using COFAB instead of old OFAB.

So if anyone has any more information from their league, I'd love to have it. After all the work TBB put into COFAB ... I'd like to see it come to officialdom and one bad playtester in the Triple B should not be what stops it ... I hope.

Here's the problem ... from talking to the BBRC members ... I think COFAB is a bubble vote. ... I think currently its like 3 yes / 3 no with me having no idea what the 7th is thinking. So any data we can present to show how its working in other playtest leagues would be handy.

Galak

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 6:22 am

I worry more about this Triple B league every day.

I don't have any stats for you, but would think they would want more then one coach for any teams that they are testing rules on.

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:03 am

I'm hoping that the faith we place in the BBRC is not so misplaced that they would rely on testing data from one player only.

I'm not sure it's time to worry yet though, doesn't a no vote just mean it goes experimental for another year for more testing? So long as this is all that happens I don't see a huge problem.

As for help, I don't have any data i'm afraid but we have one player who is starting a COFAB Vamp team next week because he thinks they will be a strong team. I'm guessing we'll be able to help out next year if it's still needed.

One last comment, to me COFAB seems a bit like Wild Animal, it's not necessarily too much of a negatrait but it does seem that it will need a bit of adjustment to playing style to play effectively with it. I can imagine players who don't make this adjustment may suffer badly.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 11:11 am

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... m_id=23143

Ok then there is my vampire team 3 wins 2 draws no losses

Both the losses I should have won but I got double 1 on the OFAB roll for a simple throw to pass on both of them.

In fact the 2-2 draw against the nercromantic team the same vampire failed ofab on double 1 3 times

I believe the vampire team is going to be one that an experienced coach needs to use. Though I have no idea on the guy using them in the tripple B and his roster how he started them and how he plays.

The nice advantage of fumbbl is that you can watch the replays of the matches. Go to my team via the link above, then scroll down to the played matches list. At the beginning of each match there is a green circle with a D in it. Click on that to get to the detailed match report and in the middle there is a link marked replay. All you have to do is click on that.

If it doesn't work then chances are you don't have java web start installed. You can get that here: http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/

If its worth my while to give tactical advice on how to use the vampire team (though watching the replays should show that) Then i would be happy to write that up. I would also like to know what his starting roster was, because I have seen vampire teams start bad cause of poor choices of starting rosters while there are other vamp teams starting similar to mine who havn't had problems.

Circular_Logic · Post by **Circular_Logic** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:16 pm

Well.. I had a vamp-team and had to retire them after they got ripped apart. I guess I started with the same lineup as grumble (2 vamps 4 rerolls), but the team got shreddered by some rotters. AV7 on the thralls is just too less, considering that they have neither block nor dodge nor ag4 to dodge away, that get smashed. The vamp having no skill besides the gaze and only AV8 as the main targets..
I ended up with only 7 players for the 2nd half, were the vamps got knocked out.
I guess they just don´t fit my style of play, but I think they suck, tho I have only played 2 games.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:24 pm

i started 2 vamps and 5 rerolls

i made the mistake in thinking i didn't want an apoth after the first game then i lost a lot ;]

I really think getting beaten up that badly by rotters might have been the way you were playing them. Maybe the fact I have played chaos dwarfs a lot and as a result am used to teams full of hobgoblins. I have also watch some other players use vampire teams and they hardly ever make use of hypnotic gaze. The vampires are phenominal players is used properly.

I would still stick with the same starting roster but next time buy an apoth after game 1.

MickeX · Post by **MickeX** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:23 pm

I'm 13/3/4 with my FUMBBL vampires:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... m_id=24323

If anyone thinks they are underpowered, I'll happily play anyone with them in the Java client. Just PM me. If you don't have a DivX FUMBBL team, I don't mind playing just for fun with whatever team you want to try.

I'm trying to find out what I think about them. I still suspect they're overpowered in really high TR. With 6 Blodge vamps and 8 RRs they'll be seriously tough to win against.

They might be slightly overpowered in general, but I think the coach playing them needs some experience with the team to use them properly. I'm not surprised their statistics are rather bad.

At first I found COFAB awful as a game mechanic. I'm not that sure anymore - with a lot of RR, it doesn't disturb me that much. Though that might just be the problem, balance-wise.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 7:55 pm

michex were all those games using the COFAB or were some using the old version?

MickeX · Post by **MickeX** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 8:56 pm

Grumbledook wrote:michex were all those games using the COFAB or were some using the old version?

Yes, they were all using COFAB.

Circular_Logic · Post by **Circular_Logic** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:34 am

Grumbledook wrote: I really think getting beaten up that badly by rotters might have been the way you were playing them. Maybe the fact I have played chaos dwarfs a lot and as a result am used to teams full of hobgoblins. I have also watch some other players use vampire teams and they hardly ever make use of hypnotic gaze. The vampires are phenominal players is used properly.

I tried to use the gaze getting 2d-blocks with other players and get away with the last thrall besides this beast, but even AG1 seemed to be a tough one

Mickey:
Just play a Chaos-Pact-Team with 3 block-tackle-PO-Bigguys, and you will have to rely on regenerate more than you like.

MickeX · Post by **MickeX** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 10:58 am

Circular_Logic wrote: Mickey:
Just play a Chaos-Pact-Team with 3 block-tackle-PO-Bigguys, and you will have to rely on regenerate more than you like.

There is a very good reason the Chaos Pact is not official... And that PO is about to change.

But even so, it's a lot of work to take out 6 ST4 blodge guys. Two of them is more than enough to score.