TD in opponent's team turn

cleminho · Post by **cleminho** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:22 pm

Once, in a game, I had an opponent who wanted to pass the ball to a catcher who was standing in an adjacent square in the opponent's (mine) end zone. He fumbles but we scatters anyway and the ball ended in his catcher's arm.
Is it a TD?
Is it a fumble?
We assumed it was a fumble and a TO because it happened in the last turn of the game. Were we right?
What if other turns were to be played afterwards?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:25 pm

It says in the rulebook that its a touchdown but you miss your next turn cause you are too busy celebrating

the question about it being the last turn of a game or half throws a spanner into the works

I would say its a TD imho

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:28 pm

Yeah definatley a TD

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:40 pm

It's a TD. A turnover occurs but only after the player's last "action" has resolved (that means pass, fumble, scatter, catch) which means at the very end you have a player standing in the opponents EZ with a ball.

You have to resolve/end the ongoing action before a TO, else you wouldn't have to roll for an AV when failing a sprint, etc (which is bollocks)

cleminho · Post by **cleminho** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:57 pm

I agree with all that but I just wanted to know if it changes anything in that special case:

-fumble
-no team turn after

If I do remember, the rule says that a fumble is an immediate TO. I assume we waited for the ball to come to rest to know what happens next but in the case nothing happens next since it is the last turn I was no longer sure scattering the ball was needed.

We would have granted a TD without any doubt or even talking about it if it had happened in other turns but for the last we decided no to grant it. This day we were two saying that against one. But maybe we were wrong. With these precisions, what do you now think? Is a Rules maker here to help?

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 1:33 pm

Yes, a fumble is an immediate TO and you have to wait until the ball comes to rest: in this case he comes to rest in the arms of the catcher. Catching a ball (a bouncing one or an accurate pass) is not an action. So you don't need to activate the player in order to get a TD and therefore it doesn't matter if it's a TO or if there is no playing turn left.

The difference of a fumbled pass to a failed pass is that a failed pass is not a turnover if the ball ends in the hands of a player of the active team, whereas a fumble is a TO in any case, regardless where the ball ends. There is no extraordinary "immediate turnover", a TO is a TO and when there is someone standing in the opposing EZ with the ball at the end of an action, it's a TD.

"Immediate" has no special game effect, it's a normal TO = no other actions can be taken, no more no less, scattering, bouncing (and catching a bouncing ball) have to be done still.

cleminho · Post by **cleminho** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 1:57 pm

Thank you very much indeed!

Our friend we refused the TD will gonna be very upset (if he finds out one day!)