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I searched but could not find an answer to this one.

Is it legal to do many multiple pushes when it is possible to do only one?
Ex A pushes C, :option 1: can he push him into E, into H into K (4 total pushes). Or :option 2: should he have to push him along a path of least resistance such as push C into B or D and be done (2 total pushes).

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According to my understanding of the rules option 1 is legal (Is this Correct?), but I think that option 2 is much more logical.
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Post by Grumbledook »

option 1 is right, the rulebook says nothing about multiple pushes having any affect on the preceeding push

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Yep option 1 is correct.

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I think it's important to point out however that if C pushes E the blocking coach chooses the directions, so you could E into H and then H into J if you wanted to...

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Multiple pushes and out of bounds

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A similar situation came up in a league game in our local league. It was a game altering event so there was much debate:

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A was blocking C. A pushed C into B and thereby pushed B into the crowd (B happened to have the ball). The coach of C argued that since a push must go into an open space if available that C should have been pushed into D or E since they could then be chain reactioned into an open space. I felt this was incorrect as the "open space if available" rule only applies to the immediate push, not its chain reactions (as stated by others above).

The comments here so far seem to support that, though only implicitly. What do people think?

Incidentally, to end the argument (which thankfully maintained a civil tone) the Dice Gods ruled against the coach of player A.

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My last FtF league ruled that you don't get to pick and choose along the way, just the first. Sort of a linear ripple, except following normal out-of-bounds rules.

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You can do as coach A did in the first place, but i know that some leagues house rule that you can only push linear.
Just make it clear what your league use and you should not have any more problems with it.

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@bampf: Yep, that push out was perfectly legal, as in the original pushback all the squares were occupied, so the coach could decide wich square to push to. The secondary pushback is a seperate event, so yes, he could pushout the ball carrier.

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Post by ScottyBoneman »

Should it be inferred that a Stand Firm on one of these secondary players restrict one? So in this case ‘C’ cannot be pushed back into ‘E’ if ‘E’ had Stand Firm despite it being otherwise a valid choice- the skill over-rides?

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if any of the above players mentioned in option #1 it would stop the motion of the rest of the push backs.

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Post by ScottyBoneman »

ToppyT wrote:if any of the above players mentioned in option #1 it would stop the motion of the rest of the push backs.
I think you meant if any of the above players mentioned had Stand Firm...

Not sure if that is correct that simply. Does that mean if one of the 3 players behind 'C' has Stand Firm you can choose down in place (as the result of the push back to that player)

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Post by GalakStarscraper »

On the Hot List using what is there.

1) The push to push B out of bounds was legal ... each push is a seperate event. Any suggesting linear pushes is using house rules.

2) I expect in November that stand firm will be clarified to say push back into a Stand Firm player have no effect. So if you have to push into a player (ie no free space available), you could choose the Stand Firm player and have no one move.

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Can 1 be pushed into 3, then 3 out of bounds?

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Post by Anthony_TBBF »

I am a big advocate of the 'path of least resistance' mentality when it comes to multiple pushbacks. In the case above i would always push 1 out of bounds.

One of my pet peeves in BB is setting up the elaborate push back situations to push certain players closer to the endzone etc.

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Post by DoubleSkulls »

Puckohue wrote:Can 1 be pushed into 3, then 3 out of bounds?
IMO No. #1 has to go out.

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