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Skummy wrote:Here's a well written article on the subject by our old friend Zombie.

http://blood-bowl.net/Tactics/FF9_BB2k1_Zombie.html
I first read the Prisoner's dilemna in A Source of Magic by Piers Anthony. The Demon [X]anth, or however he spelled it, was doing a similar game before Grundy appeared to help him.

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Dark Lord wrote:IU always thought 9 was a no-brainer too until my brother-in-law started a dwarf team with a FF of 2.

His played for the casualties for the first round. By the second round the other teams in the league were all missing players and short on funds. So he had an easy time of winning the games. Of course he didn't have much money either but he started out with a lot of AV 9...more than normal so he didn't need it. He won the cup that year.
Brilliant strategy IMO but I feel like I should inform you that the rest of the league was somthing like Skaven, 2X Human, Undead, High Elf, Wood Elf, and Dark Elf.

Not sure he would have gotten away with it in a season that had more bashy teams.
And how long was the league. 6 games is the balance point in terms of cash, so factoring a better "win factor" for lower FF at the start I reckon you are looking at 10+ games before high FF really kicks in.

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The FF9 can be a tricky choice if one goes into a tournament with the TR100 teams. Then I can very much understand the earlier argument that the team really needs the funds elsewhere to get a better early development team, as earnings have no impact on the team's progress within the tournament.

However in league play it becomes a different story. Now your team is dependent on getting more money as quick as possible to increase it's survivability. (And replace early losses) At that point I now see risking a smaller starting team in order to maximize your potential income.

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It was open format. We had a rule stating that each team had to play a minimum of 4 games and a maximum of 10 before the play offs.

Basically all the teams recovered but my point was that he spent his first two matches fleecing the other teams. Then because they had so little funds from their first matches they were a step behind. By the time the play offs came around his dwarfs were very well insulated. The other teams were all a step behind. Except for a couple, of course. What I'm saying is that he knew the weakness of dwarfs (they grow slowly) and he not only countered it but turned the tables onto a couple of the teams who grow quicker. Nothing whines louder than an elf coach with 3 missing players and 40K in the bank! :wink:

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i always saw FF as secondary untill i started to analyse its tactical advantages and actualy played a FF9 team myself. \now my amazons have a full roster and plently in the bank, but i have been lucky with my lack of casulaties.
Darklord i like your in-law's thinking it realy makes sense, as long as everybody else doesnt do the FF2 thing no money all round then :D

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It really depends on who you play. I started a low FF Orc team vs. a couple of easy elf and Skaven teams. I was able to start with more positionals, and by winning, causing 2+ cas and pts was able to increase my TR and Treasury very quickly. If you know you are going to win your first few games screw the FF. You can quickly gain the upper hand in a starting league by letting the others buy their FF while you earn it. Keep in mind if you don't raise it you will be hurting, and it doesn't work well with agility teams. In fact starting low was part of my strategy to deny the elves the cash to replace their losses.

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Right, like I said, my bro-in-law knew ahead of time what the rest of the league would be. It was a purely strategic descision that he would never repeat in a different league.
I just wanted to point out to the FF9 only crowd that FF 2 can be a good choice sometimes too. When he showed up to his first match, you should have heard the scoffing at his FF2. They laughed and laughed...until the end of the match when the body count was totalled, his opponent was crying about not winning enough money, and my brother was shopping with money earned from his opponent's fans.

Great moments in Blood Bowl history. :lol:

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Your brother's strategy was very smart!!!
BTW What's his team fan factor now? (assuming he's still playing)

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Post by Dark Lord (retired) »

When his team retired it was @250 or so. Our league's coaches usually retired high TR teams out of boredom. To us a TR of 250 is like a level 30 D&D character. Very dull.

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