Tired of Ageing? OLBBL wants YOU!

Bretter · Post by **Bretter** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 5:46 pm

The On-Line Blood Bowl League (OLBBL) is a league that uses 3rd edition rules. What does that all mean?

-No Ageing
-No IGMEOY rule
-Allies available for your team. Tired of the limitations of your roster? Well how does being able to add a chaos warrior to your orc team sound?!
-Tournaments with real prizes!
-No traits!
-Much much more!

Go to www.olbbl.com to find out more

Are you a FUMBBL junkie? Stop by on channel #Lockerroom and see what it's all about.

TiMuN · Post by **TiMuN** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:46 pm

- Craps Allies system
- Crap IRC & dice boots
- Plenty of cheaters
- Need of a referee in every match to pick up cards and stuff

not the best online model of a league, IMHO

mepmuff · Post by **mepmuff** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:59 pm

TiMuN: What did the OLBBL ever do to you for this aggressive post?

TiMuN wrote:- Craps Allies system

Your personal opinion, and not very clear why you think it's crap.

TiMuN wrote:- Crap IRC & dice boots

More personal opinions with no basis whatsoever.

TiMuN wrote:- Plenty of cheaters

In the OLBBL you can cheat exactly as much as on the board. Cheaters are dealt with in the OLBBL, care to give some evidence?

TiMuN wrote:- Need of a referee in every match to pick up cards and stuff

Simply not true.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:07 pm

Yeah, but 3e does suck!

Bretter · Post by **Bretter** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:59 pm

TiMuN wrote:- Craps Allies system
- Crap IRC & dice boots
- Plenty of cheaters
- Need of a referee in every match to pick up cards and stuff

not the best online model of a league, IMHO

Not sure where you get your information, but I respect your opinion on the Allies system. Howevever, there are many coaches who would prefer them, and who do.

As for the final three, it has obviously been a long time (if ever) since you played or visited the league.

Of course, if there is a league system out there that you don't want to be a part of, it must be easy to berate it without backing up your concerns.

Fact one: the IRC channels have changed to a much more reliable sysytem.

Fact two: Cheaters are dealt with swiftly and fairly.

Fact three: there is no need for a referee since there is a bot to handle all the rolls and cards.

Fact four: the coaches don't whine, are open to change, but just happen to prefer 3rd edition over LRB.

ScottyBoneman · Post by **ScottyBoneman** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:06 am

Nazgit wrote:Yeah, but 3e does suck!

Nazgit, you should really be more open. Lots of people did find 3rd more 'fun'. I do like improved rulesets, but do you think anyone now asks when looking at rule change: "will this make the game more fun?"

Too commited now, but good for you do what it takes to fun for your own people. Make sure cheating doesn't ruin it though.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:15 am

Well...many guys and gals might enjoy it..but personally? Teams like this are just an abomination in my book...3e gone mad...*shudder*.

http://www.angelfire.com/blues2/king_bu ... voodoo.HTM

http://home.netcarrier.com/~mightyquinn ... DELVES.HTM

Not for me thanks.

Bretter · Post by **Bretter** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:48 am

Lets look at some teams in FUMBBL, the more frequented league out there:

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... am_id=7043

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... eam_id=208

http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team& ... m_id=44603

I would venture to say that those fit the same bill. However, in OLBBL, those teams are separated from more normal teams, and may not play them. There are coaches out there that enjoy that style of play, and it may not be for you. My intent is to provide an option for those coaches who may want to try this style of play.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:30 am

Not quite the same bill..although they're uber high end teams too, there's not all those abusive (IMO you understand!) 3e combos apparent let alone the allies issues.

Those teams are essentially LRB teams (very high end, granted, but if not still on the same page at least in the same book!).

Each to their own, fair enough (and I'm not knocking the option) but uber teams playing heavily house ruled 3e at those TR levels is just so far removed from today's game that it's only ever going to be for a very small minority of diehards.

Nice that that minority has the option, and kudos for offering it, but it's just plain world's away from what the majority of us are playing nowdays, including FUMBBL.

Post by **Thadrin** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:52 am

The Anarchists are a special case these days. They only play very special challenges, and were put together pre-handicaps.

You will nearly ALWAYS get a choice of handicap against the 11 thugs these days and that would be VIRUS, to take out those players who don't niggle out...resulting in playing against a team of about 5 on average (I haven't done the maths though).

I imagine the other team is in the same category as the Anarchists.

Thos OBBL teams scare me more.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:57 am

I played a lot of OLBBL, even made it into the commish team back in the 90s. I drove my Skaven up to around TR440 (Rotten Ratscals if anybody remembers them) and i had a lot of fun and playing such a skill laden team was a new side of the game.

However, i must admit that the fun wore out at some point. The IRC tool works well and Mike Howard still gets all respect from me as this tool really started online realtime play, but imo today JavaBowl is a much better option. Hunting people who quit their games before finishing was very tiresome and locked your teams for weeks sometimes. The tournaments were very tiresome as well, i started playing games at midnight several times, simple not possible once you have a regular job.

And then the Ally rules ... sorry guys, but imo it really destroys the flair of the different races. My Skaven had a CW and 3 Beastmen, negating their biggest weakness (lack of STR, and decent blitzers). Almost every team gets a power and/or AG upgrade and the differences in playing style really fade away.

TiMuN · Post by **TiMuN** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:03 am

Yes, maybe i was way too aggressive, and yes it was very long ago, like 8 or 9 years ago ..

I got into the OLBBL, and found cheaters all around. Not only it was hard for a newbie to face another newbie, but then you get to see all those developed teams in which they had more doubles as skill rolls than normal rolls, then you get those 'all for a win' teams, with plenty of allies and wizards and stuff, then you get fooled by someone acting like a referee telling my cards to the other contender, then ...

That was too much to have a positive vision of the OLBBL as a whole ... no one attended my complains, no one cared, everything was 'be a powergamer, or leave' kind of thing ...

So, appologies to whom i might bothered .. but that's my oppinion on the subject (maybe it has changed THAT much ... but as DW showed, it seems NOT)

StiltMan · Post by **StiltMan** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:32 pm

I'm sorry TiMuN, but if you're going to be a rival league commish giving people a reason not to go to the OLBBL, I'm going to have to ask you to at least describe the state of the league as it is now, not ancient history.

The bots that roll all skills in the OLBBL are operated by the league commishes, who have logs that can be used to monitor the process. Cheaters who fake their skills are quickly spotted and dealt with.

If you don't want to play against developed teams, then don't. Even veteran players start new teams all the time. I've been around for some five years and yet I've got only one team that's up in their Premier division; I have yet to build another team past 300.

Allies and wizards are part of Blood Bowl. The LRB allows them too, often in greater leeway than the OLBBL does.

Cards are dealt these days by a league commish, also using a bot. The commish himself sees them only for monitoring purpose to keep people from cheating. When the commish who runs the bot plays a game, he has a different commish with a copy of the card bot do the cards for him so he can't see what the other coach has.

If someone disappears without finishing a game, a coach may give him a written request to reappear and finish. If he doesn't do so within some period of time (I forget if it's 48 or 72 hours) then the game is considered forfeit with full penalties. The penalties are grievous enough that you really don't want to make a habit of doing this.

About the only issue is whether you prefer 3e or 4e. 3e is pre-aging rules, which is the main complaint people have with 4e. The atmosphere of playing is, from what I understand, quite a bit friendlier in the OLBBL than it is in FUMBBL in many cases... you won't find people laughing in joy as they mangle your team, for instance.

Oh yeah, there's the interface issue. That's being worked on. The OLBBL is aware that there's an issue there, and they're working on a new client to try to make the games play faster.

So if you're just not fond of 3e, or you like the Java interface better, okay, those are valid things to consider. But please don't construct a nightmare scenario of a league gone mad that simply isn't accurate and hasn't been for some years.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:32 am

If you don't like ageing try FUMBBL's DivX which is using Galak's negative winnings rules...

TiMuN · Post by **TiMuN** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 9:43 am

Nope. I'm not a rival comish trying to get attention over my stuff. It's just the way i experienced your league. I've told you all it was like 9 or 8 years ago, and things might have changed. I've already asked for appologies, and already explained what i got there.

After all, this wasn't that too bad, since it gave you a chance to expose what the OLBBL is now, in comparison with what it was before (and what we all knew or heard about it)

So, if the OLBBL is that good today, and you are giving such a nice BB experience to everyone on the league, dealing with my personal oppinion, based on old complaints, should be nothing.

I still have not time to try and change my mind. sorry.