black or white undercoat

Dropdeadfred · Post by **Dropdeadfred** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:53 am

bought some minis and was talking about it on fumbbl earlier on today and was thinking why do people use different undercoats, whats the difference?

/Fred

Ewan · Post by **Ewan** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:09 am

Black gives you a recess shade straight away but some colours will require many coats to appear even

White makes the colours appear more vibrant but takes more time to complete painting IMO

JaM · Post by **JaM** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:33 am

I've undercoated my human 'team Warp' in white, to get the flesh colours a bit brighter.
However, Black-0rcs and the like I would do in black, with all the armour and all that. Not much flesh-tones, too

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Post by **Dave** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:14 am

white .. allways white ..

I'd like to be able to see what I am painting

Pow! · Post by **Pow!** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:31 am

It is easier to paint dark colors on a white undercoat, than painting white on a black undercoat. Additionally many colors change when painted directly on black (e. g. yellow turns into green) thus you have to apply two to three undercoats before painting yellow on black (e. g. medium brown, light brown and white).

I primed my chaos warriors black lately and that only because they will not have any light skin tones. But on all details I am already swearing on the black undercoat, I now believe that even for dark minis white undercoat is the better choice.

cheers
Tobias

juck101 · Post by **juck101** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:34 am

as a rule of thumb always paint on a white undercoat - black is a pain for just about everything. I advise a brushed undercoast beacuse until you can paint a nice thin undercoat you will paint a mess over it.

first few kits avoid yellow/red/white as they are pretty hard colours to paint.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:09 pm

Again ...

Rule of thumb:
Black Undercoat for a dark, dirty look: Skaven, Chaos, Orcs, Undead, etc.
White Undercoat for light or bright colors or lots of skin: Norse, Human, Elfs, Lizards, etc.

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:17 pm

I like white bit longer to paint due to shading, but since black generaly needs more coats to get the right colour kinda blances.

Djengis_Khan · Post by **Djengis_Khan** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:06 pm

white, I always use white undercoat

or the things said above:
the colours just don't come out as nice

Djengis

Sqar · Post by **Sqar** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:26 pm

I used to always prime black and then dry brush with white...

but the last few weeks im priming with "sand" coloured primer. works great... (and is a lot cheaper 5 euro @ Halfords)

JaM · Post by **JaM** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:50 pm

For a good coverage of white, over a black undercoat: first paint grey, then white.
For red, over black; first paint it brown, then red. Works for yellow too.

The advantage of black is that you have an "instant shading" effect. And, that if you missed parts of the mini, it doesnt show that well.
Advantage of white: the colors are brighter. Disadvantage; you have to paint the whole mini, every nook and cranny.
Other disadvantage; white primer is (for me then) hard to come by, only GW. Black, or grey, are far more easily to get, and therefore cheaper. Unless you use GW (compared to the price of the white primer).

Underdog · Post by **Underdog** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:31 pm

I paint them white and then wash them with thined black ink so all the recesses are filled but you dont need too many coats to cover the black. It also give a natural shading to flat tones on red armour etc... Ive never heard of anyone else doing this before but it works for me!

Dropdeadfred · Post by **Dropdeadfred** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:46 am

well im just deciding my human team colour scheme, gonna paint me orge. gonna go for white undercoat, thanks

Bonehead · Post by **Bonehead** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:13 am

Used white ever since. Also got some black primer to give it a try but didn´t try that very often.
On a Khemri mummy I tried something similar to what Sqar said: I first primed the mini black followed by a thinner layer of white spray. It gives good shading effects and there is no problem to apply lighter colours. I didn´t find the time to paint it but here you can see how it looks primed:

Not very neat but ok for a test run.
I´d also use some other cheaper primer spray if I´ll ever find one.

Sqar · Post by **Sqar** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:24 am

try Halfords or any local car shop...

do not try Primer/filler...