Vallejo paints: Model / Gaming

Djengis_Khan · Post by **Djengis_Khan** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:01 pm

after getting a nice colour booklet of the vallejo paints from traveller I've come to the conclusion that there are 2 types of vallejo paint. model and gaming.
I dicovered my paints were not on the list!!!

so:
I am currently using the the model paints.

this explains the problem with dave, I needed to get some paints for him, he gave me the names BUT the shop didn't had that colours..

anyonw knows if there's a real differents in the paints? or just other colours and other names?

or do the model paints attach better to plastic or something like that??

Djengis

Lahatiel · Post by **Lahatiel** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:36 pm

There's not any true difference between the paint in the Model and Game ranges, it's in the names on color formulae. The Model colors have been around forever in 250 or so colors, I believe, designed for historical wargaming with colors to match the historical ones. They became aware that many mini painters had found their paint and felt it to be superior to that of GW, but many of those painters still wanted GW colors, if not the paint itself, since those colors were still the gaming industry standard -- ie, they wanted to paint their Dark Angels and Blood Angels in Dark Angels Green and Blood Angels Red, with guessing which Vallejos they should be trying to use instead. So Vallejo released the Game Color line which was the same paint as the Model, only in colors that specifically matched GW's colors exactly.

This site, by the way, shows a table to match both Vallejo lines to GW. The Game colors will be exact matches, while the Model colors will be the closest equivalent as gathered from a consensus of mini painters around the net (which, in most cases and to many eyes, will still be pretty damn close). Bottom line -- doesn't really matter which Vallejo line you use.

Sorry for the length, but I hope this helps.

Djengis_Khan · Post by **Djengis_Khan** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:40 pm

thanks !
not to long at all !
its very clear and I understand it !
Thanks

Djengis

Djengis_Khan · Post by **Djengis_Khan** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:42 pm

wow that site is realy usefull !!

Djengis

Chairface · Post by **Chairface** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:42 am

Awesome site! Thanks!

traveller · Post by **traveller** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:06 pm

Thanks for the site link.... i will add it at my usefull links at my site later, too.

Traveller

Lahatiel · Post by **Lahatiel** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:04 pm

Glad to be of help.

And the Vallejo-to-GW equivalency chart is even more helpful once you combine it with these GW highlight/shading guidelines:

http://www.paintingclinic.com/clinic/gu ... gchart.htm

http://www.paintingclinic.com/clinic/gu ... chart2.htm

Musta Surma · Post by **Musta Surma** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:24 pm

Anybody out there who knows more about the colours from GW and Vallejo, I am thinking in the line of violet-red, violet-blue, green-blue, yellow-green, orange-yeellow and orange-red instead of blood red and all these fancy names, it would be nice to know before mixing, it could safe a lot of troubles when it comes to mixing the colours together.

Evil Git · Post by **Evil Git** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:29 pm

the link (2nd one) that Lahatiel put on shows the colours and a name involved. that's a good idea.

if you mean like to compare with acrylics from another manufacturer i'm sure that guide could be used.

Musta Surma · Post by **Musta Surma** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:30 pm

My problem is that GW and Vallejo does not tell you much about their paint as such, they have given them a fancy name and that is it.

What I am looking for is to know before hand how the colour will react when mixed with an other colour.

Take W&N and their acrylics, they write on their tube if the colour is a violet-red or orange-red.
This is what I hope to learn about GW and Vallejos colours as well.

Evil Git · Post by **Evil Git** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:07 pm

ah i see musta surma. sorry i was being braindead then for a minute. i haven't got many of the valejo (only about 10 or so) and i've got a load of the gw ones. i'll have a mix tonight and let you know for some of them. otherwise i'm not too sure.

hoomin_erra · Post by **hoomin_erra** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:54 pm

Evil Git wrote: sorry i was being braindead then for a minute.

So, nothing new there then!!

juck101 · Post by **juck101** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:41 pm

Musta Surma wrote:What I am looking for is to know before hand how the colour will react when mixed with an other colour.

It will depend on what pigment is used in the paint.

Red is very different compared to green pigments so they all tend to mix in a unique way. Sorry but all i have learnt of mixed paint comes from years of doing it... one thing for sure is their is virtually zero information on WHAT the pigment is anywhere.

Musta Surma · Post by **Musta Surma** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:39 am

I think that you are right on that one, I doubt that GW and Vallejo would tell about the pigment in their paint, but it could lead to a better result. Take Winsor they tell if their paint is violet-red or orange-red, in which there is a big difference.

I guess its back to scratch and the failure and retry or mixing paint.

If you want to read a good book about mixing paint and the way the different paint reacts when mixed then I would suggest:

Blue and Yellow Don't make Green by Michael Wilcox.

juck101 · Post by **juck101** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:05 pm

book sounds good, guess it tells me why most mixes end up as brown - not the desired colour that you would want