Guard question

bingbong186 · Post by **bingbong186** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 3:35 am

Hey guys

Just wondering how most of you play your guard skill rules, what I mean by this is if a player declares a block against one of your players, and you announce that you have a player with guard that will change the number of block dice rolled, do you then allow him to maybe move another player so that he can cancel the guard player out? I'm pretty sure the rules say that the block has to be done seeing as it was declared, but I was wondering how other players looked at these rules.

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:05 am

Technically once you declare the Block you're fixed to it, but really it depends on how friendly the game is.

I wouldn't mind if someone I was playing against did it.

Be nice to people.

Amazingly, they're nice to you back.

gallowin · Post by **gallowin** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 4:17 am

In a friendly game I'll correct the other coach if they pick up too many dice. Otherwise let them suffer for being a jerk.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:21 am

make sure you give them a copy of your team sheet as you are setting up, you could keep reminding them of the error of their ways but they should stick with the blocks they declare even if they have overlooked something.

He will learn from his mistakes and ensure that he learns your team sheet.

to quote Sun Tzu

Know your Enemy, Know Yourself and your victory is never in danger.

He never had double skulls though........

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:39 pm

We play that all assists are assumed for every block. If someone miscounts assists then we usually let them decline the block. There's no fun to be had playing a lawyer's game.

bingbong186 · Post by **bingbong186** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 1:42 pm

Yeah, thanks for the replies guys, that's pretty much how I've been playing up till now, though I have two guys on my almost rookie chaos team with guard, and don't know if I'm selling myself short with this skill because I don't make other coaches in the league follow through with their blocks. From now on I think I'll make sure my opponent knows I have two guys with guard, remind him where they are during the match, but if he declares blocks and then changes them too often, I'll make him follow through with them.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:24 pm

I do agree with you Marcus and if it happens once in a blue moon we don't bat an eyelid and let it slide, but we have one player who declare his actions late, and changes his mind if he doesn't look at which player has diving tackle before declaring the dodge. Most of our league agreed that we were fed up hearing "Well, I won't do that then....."

occasionally is fine, after all we are all human, ripping urine out of the situation is unfair on the rest.

we ask that all players at least study the teamsheets for 5 minutes before kick-off.

longfang · Post by **longfang** » Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:05 pm

I can see some people will never win any sportsmanship votes!

It's a game, sometimes it's hard enough remembering what skills your own team has, let alone your opponants. I bet there's a few people who won't remind their opponant to roll armour after successfully knocking down one of your players. I always remind them, sometimes it's a bitch to see your own player killed but it's a freekin game and to win by foul means is no measure of your own ability. Be nice otherwise you could get a slap!

Korhil · Post by **Korhil** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 3:18 am

Its just my nature to point out which players have guard as my opponent looks to be moving players to make a Block.
After I've placed my line I tell them where I have my Guards, its one of those skills that you need to be constantly aware of to have a chance to play arround.
Also, after I've formed my Cage/Pocket I usually tell them where the Guards are at the end of the turn so they can try play arround it -ofcourse, I've set it up so they cant get in tho

If my opponet has any guards I always ask at the start of each and every turn... basically, as a coach you should know to ask and keep track of Guard players.
Guard is prolly the hardest skill for a newbie coach to deal with.

---Korhil

Heiper · Post by **Heiper** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 8:15 am

Korhil wrote: If my opponet has any guards I always ask at the start of each and every turn... basically, as a coach you should know to ask and keep track of Guard players.
Guard is prolly the hardest skill for a newbie coach to deal with.

---Korhil

We do the exact same thing in our league for skills that affect the tactic for the round. An other skill asked for is Tackle when woodies/skaven start their dodging frenzy.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:09 am

longfang wrote: I always remind them, sometimes it's a bitch to see your own player killed but it's a freekin game and to win by foul means is no measure of your own ability.

This is the only way to do it, you have to be fair and if it hurts you then that's fine.

But if I played you, and everytime I wanted to do something that turned out to be at my disadvantage I turned round and said that I wouldn't do it. That would at first make me look like a bad planner, and after a while really get on your tit's, so in a tournament where sportsmanship really is a benefit I would let this slide and award my point to someone else but in a league situation I am afraid not. Our offender just does this too often.

bingbong186 · Post by **bingbong186** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 11:35 am

Don't get me wrong here, I love playing the game and play it to have fun, but if every turn my opponent declares a block, after I've told him where my guard players are after I've moved them in my turn, then renegs on the block, it's gonna start to annoy me, to the point where guard would become less of a good skill to have. I'm not trying to be unsportsmanlike here, and I know in my league I'm one of the more easy going guys playing, but it's meant to be a game, not a baby-sitting session.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:21 pm

I'm 100% with korhil. I remind players where my guarders, foul appearance players etc are regularly, I also expect to be asked "which guy has passblock?" etc regularly as it helps keep the game moving. I frequently ask my opponent who has what in any given turn. Jotting down player numbers is also handy.

IMO the sportsmanship angle cuts both ways, you and your opponent should both help each other keep track of key players to ensure the game runs smoothly, no one player should rely on the other to remember who has what.

Heiper · Post by **Heiper** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:30 pm

can't agree more marcus

gallowin · Post by **gallowin** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 4:23 pm

bingbong186 wrote:Don't get me wrong here, I love playing the game and play it to have fun, but if every turn my opponent declares a block, after I've told him where my guard players are after I've moved them in my turn, then renegs on the block, it's gonna start to annoy me, to the point where guard would become less of a good skill to have. I'm not trying to be unsportsmanlike here, and I know in my league I'm one of the more easy going guys playing, but it's meant to be a game, not a baby-sitting session.

If they are being that bothersome, tell them up front the first time that you're letting it slide this go around. Next time they don't ask where the guard is and pick up the wrong # of dice, correct them after they roll the dice and make them do the block again but with the right # of dice. It might seem brutal but fire burns and people learn to play better. And sometimes you have to enforce good gaming.

I'll take the time with new players but with more experienced coaches you & they have no way of getting better if you help them win. Part of the game is knowing what you're up against.

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