Dump Off Vs Pass Block....

[voyagers_uk]

I have to say that if you watch Rugby, a lot of interceptions occur when a guy who is about to be creamed tries to dump-off to a close team-mate. An opposition player makes a darting run through the line anticipating the pass and is off towards the zone.

it does make sense to allow passblock against dump-off, it's an out-of-turn pass against which you should be allowed to attempt the even more out of turn passblock as well as normal interceptions

[voyagers_uk]

I have to say that if you watch Rugby, a lot of interceptions occur when a guy who is about to be creamed tries to dump-off to a close team-mate. An opposition player makes a darting run through the line anticipating the pass and is off towards the zone.

it does make sense to allow passblock against dump-off, it's an out-of-turn pass against which you should be allowed to attempt the even more out of turn passblock as well as normal interceptions

[voyagers_uk]

I have to say that if you watch Rugby, a lot of interceptions occur when a guy who is about to be creamed tries to dump-off to a close team-mate. An opposition player makes a darting run through the line anticipating the pass and is off towards the zone.

it does make sense to allow passblock against dump-off, it's an out-of-turn pass against which you should be allowed to attempt the even more out of turn passblock as well as normal interceptions

[DoubleSkulls]

I've changed my position on this one.

The theoretical abuse of Pass Blocking dump offs is quite high - effectively allowing you to move players twice in a turn. In practice I think the effect is less as you don't have to Dump Off.

In fact this could be considered a valid anti-dump off tactic. You effectively prevent your opponent from using his Dump Off because he doesn't want you to be able to move your pass blockers. This is a judgement call your opponent has to make.

You can't build a team based around hoping that your opponents are consistently stupid enough to keep dumping off when you can move - so this is a small but useful enhancement to Pass Block.

And as Zombie pointed out this is how the rules currently work.

Ian

[Babs]

Note that in the text of Pass Block it states:

The special move is free, and in no way affects the player's ability to move in the following turn.

Note the implied usage is during the opposing team turn, not during your own team turn.

Specifically, there is no rule barring a Pass Block of a Dump Off, as a pass will at some point be 'announced' by using the Dump Off skill.

While Galak's "Dump Off isn't a Pass action" has merit, neither skill refers to a pass action being a prerequisite.

I beleive that you could call either way on this, however the official call has now been made on the BB Rules Review Q&A section:

Q: Can I use Pass Block when my opponent tries to Dump Off the Ball? Also, can I try to intercept a Dump Off?
A: Yes to both questions.

[Grumbledook]

Hey voyagers, glad you posted your thoughts 3 times, stupid here didn't realise till half way through reading the second one ;]

[Babs]

Thought about starting a thread 'Babs post count' and posting to it 1000 times. It's make me look like a really regular poster!

Maybe that's how Voyager got to 1150 posts

[Vargtass]

Given the ruling from Babs, would a Pass Block on a Dump Off affect the Pass Blocker's move on that turn? The skill description says "in no way affects the player's ability to move in the following turn".

My guess would be that that the "free action" label of the Pass Block implies that the Pass Blocker would be allowed to go on with his full normal move.

Vargtass