One Turn TD with Norse, Without a Quick Snap!!! (Updated)

browwnrob · Post by **browwnrob** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:48 pm

Hey all!

Just thought id share with you the revelation that is the norse one turner!

i took screendumps from javabbowl and posted them on fumbbl...

here is the link, i dunno if you need to be a member to view them...

anyway, enjoy, and im wondering if they can work with any other defensive setups??

http://fumbbl.com/help:OTT

ive also uploaded the chaos dwarf one i devised!

next, Dwarves!

then maybe flings without TTM

Rob

Bizzy · Post by **Bizzy** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:51 am

Um no offence but any team with MA 6 or higher can score via the Norse method no reason to devise a way for the Dwarves too. Flings with MA 5 yea, and if you want to figure out a way for a MA4 guy to do it thats really cool but dont work to hard.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:03 am

Only if their opponent adopts the worse defence possible.

I think the examples ought to show against a withdrawn defence rather than the very handy 3-4-4 you've shown.

squig87 · Post by **squig87** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:59 pm

Well done Rob!
I couldnt figure it out, and I dont think it was easy. DS has a point about the defense, but surely in a tourney someone isnt going expect that on turn 16

Is this what you do when you're apparently doing your assignments?

Bizzy · Post by **Bizzy** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:03 pm

The other problem is teh way teams play set up (including myself) on turn 16 if I am setting up for a kick

3 men spaced on the line

then everyone in the back field to make lots of TZ's.

browwnrob · Post by **browwnrob** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:00 pm

hey bizzy

i wanted to show primarily that it is possible to score a OTT vs that defence, it was easy as its not a very good defence. its just as easy to score with 3 guys spread out on the LOS, it would take a bit of time (time i dont have) to work it out.

there is also a player who didnt take an action, so, he can provide an extra assist, and its highly probable that an extra blitzer can use frenzy to better effect

i thought you guys would actually appreciate seeing a MA6 team score in one turn!

how many times have you seen in happen? do you expect it to happen? i never have personally without a quick snap. i would think it unwise in the majority of xases to set up the remainder of your team backfield, especially with blitz and injury time on the kickoff, you may have a chance to score a td on defence

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:14 pm

Rob - its actually possible because you set the defence up in a 3-4-4 formation - i.e.

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____|__XXX__|____
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_X__|B_____A|__X_
_X__|B_____A|__X_

You are using the A or B defenders to fill the gaps you need to push.

IMO (if its possible) you need to show the example with a withdrawn defence - i.e.

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____|__XXX__|____
____|_______|____
____|_______|____
____|_______|____
____|_______|____
____|_______|____
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_X__|XXXXXXX|__X_

which I would consider a better example when trying to teach the defence.

squig87 - pretty much every experienced tournament player ought to be expecting this play now.

neverdodge · Post by **neverdodge** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:53 pm

When positioning for defense on next turn, people should consider that the new Riot can add a turn to the game, that will make 2 turn for your opponent insteed of one

Bizzy · Post by **Bizzy** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:12 am

Oh yea I know and I do appreciate it I must seem ungrateful and what not but I am saying I usually set up like this

____ X__X__X ____

_X_X_X_X_X_X_X_
_____________________(endzone)

to protect against teh turn 8 OTT.

With one extra man floating about. Now that is nearly impossible to dodge out of unless you are a stunty in which case all bets are off

Podfrey · Post by **Podfrey** » Mon May 02, 2005 2:19 pm

I consider the best defence (against a non-throwing team mate) team to be 3 on the LoS in the centre with the rest of the team double banked on Lines 3 & 4 (assume LoS = Line 1). This prevents any shenanigans of players sneaking round the back to allow the multi-push (and even if they do they have to get through the multi-bank).

Ravage · Post by **Ravage** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:51 pm

i agree, the best way IMO to shut down the non-TTM OTT (and of course non-OTT solo player like an uber-GR) is to play forward on them. If they dont have the ability to run the "support" people forward to make effective pushes, you shut down the whole play.

Post by **Dave** » Mon May 02, 2005 6:59 pm

you van allways set up in a V sormation ..

I pulled off the OTT with norse once, using quick snap ..
needed all my men to do it though

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:25 pm

lucifer wrote:I consider the best defence (against a non-throwing team mate) team to be 3 on the LoS in the centre with the rest of the team double banked on Lines 3 & 4 (assume LoS = Line 1). This prevents any shenanigans of players sneaking round the back to allow the multi-push (and even if they do they have to get through the multi-bank).

Which in fact makes things easier for the one turn push as you are providing bodies to fill empty squares!

Panico · Post by **Panico** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:26 pm

I've started figure out how to 1turn score with Norse (my usual tournament team) one year ago, and I've discovered that possibilities are multiples.
The 3-4-4 defence isn't so effective as Ian point out, as opponent players go to fill some square you need (even if you need some dodge if you don't field a mino and have not all of your blitzers available). Better the other option, with 8 man covering all the line 3 (being 1 the END ZONE).
In this case, it doesn't matter if the 3 on the line are adjacent or separate.
After lot and lot of study, (you know, I'm crazy on losing time on this, but which of us 30+ aged men still playing little "puppets"

is not?) I discover different ways to score.
I can do it even with 9 men if I field the mino, but now that I field the Ogre I need 10, and only 2 frenzy blitzer (only?!?

).
This is still higly higly difficult and against most of "statistical laws" (lot and lot of dices), but NOT impossible.
How to do it? I cannot reveal my secrets, othewise everyone gonna beat me and avoid my score

.
Plus it's more effective when your opponent doesn't expect your temptative. Ask Miloquaser (DO05, failed for a double smash on second block) or Blitzwing (PKQ2, failed only because... he INTERCEPT my pass to the catcher

)

BTW: oviously even dwarves CAN score in one turn... but there's more and more dices to roll

... still, DIFFICULT, NOT IMPOSSIBLE!

browwnrob · Post by **browwnrob** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:31 am

Bizzy wrote:The other problem is teh way teams play set up (including myself) on turn 16 if I am setting up for a kick

3 men spaced on the line

then everyone in the back field to make lots of TZ's.

Well My work experience has backfired so it was put on hold for a week, so Im at home this week so little to do, and I came across this (sorry for the regeneration...) but then I thought I worked it out, took only 10 minutes! It does need a fairly nice kick to be good, but it worked first time I tried it heh

hehe, well my work placement was messed up and was scouring the User Guide when I came across the OLd Norse OTT, so for fun (!) i decided to try it out again, as i was asked elsewhere to show it for the following setup... all in all it took 10 mins to work out...

Ill let you work the rest out yourself, if its useful to only one person, them Im happy!