Travellers new League saison with a Ogre team...

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:43 am

No, you don't, they are too boneheaded:

A. to realize they need to move when they have the ball!
B. to block when somebody is next to them!

lereiveur · Post by **lereiveur** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:53 am

hello

i'm playing an ogre team, too.

First match : orks: I win 2-1
Second match: Norses; i win 2-0
Third match : dwarves : i lost 1-0 (double one in the Touchdown line

I think:
-only throw a gob with ball if you have a gob near the point where you want to throw the ball an if no adversary player can take the ball
-GIVE THE BALL TO AN OGRE
-put 4 ogres on the line of scremmage, so if you have a bonehead you can blok the 3 adversary players
-playing ogres is very fun, but it's very difficult to win

I've done 3 bonhead with 6 ogres in one turn... It's horrible, OK ! But only if a gob has the ball, if an ogre has the ball, 5 ST is dificult to blok

Tante Kaethe · Post by **Tante Kaethe** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:32 am

Hi Traveller,

I'm sorry to hear that you are so frustrated with your Ogres

. I have now played a total of 10 games (in tourney, league and one-offs)with my Ogre team and went 2/4/4.

Here's my resume on how to play them

:
If possible, give the ball to an Ogre! Play a very conservative style, take your time scoring. Concetrate on your offense, don't waste your precious rerolls on defense - your opponent will most likely score anyhow as boneheaded Ogres open large gaps in your defense and Goblins will get blitzed away. So get the ball, keep it and punish everyone foolish enough to get close to your cage. Only move Ogres, if you really have to! It is often better to leave an Ogre standing than trying to move him and let him go bonehead! Get Break Tackle a.s.a.p., it's fantastic

! Don't TTM too often (I have only done it once or twice in 10 games). Only use it as a last resort. Keep your players together, form a wall with the Ogres and put the Goblins around the ballcarrier. An all Ogre cage doesn't work properly, as the chances are very high that at least one of the Ogres will go bonheaded and leave your ballcarrier open to be blitzed. Use your mobile Goblins to fill the gaps caused by stupid Ogres.

Hope this helps

,

Tante KÃ¤the.

P.S.
@el sid: take it easy man, please!

lereiveur · Post by **lereiveur** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:39 am

YES :

When your are defending:
let your the other player put his TD. Put one or two ogres (with break tacle if possible) near his attack, so he will score as fast as he can because he will take fear of a blitz on the ball carrier (if you can do it) and will put lot of his player to defend the ball. With your other ogres, destroy the rest of the players....

Than you will attack with more players than your adversary and score

When you are attacking, take your time, destroy the team, give the ball to an ogre and do a cage with the ogres.

Sorry for my english, i hope you can understand me....

traveller · Post by **traveller** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:43 am

Thanks for all the advices and help !

But playing with ogres in itself is soooo much fun!

Draco, i just can say, this game wasnt funny ! IÂ´m lucky i got a very nice opposite coach, who kept talking to me, he get the feeling he is playing against a "half" team

Keep painting them, I would like to see them very much!

Me, too.

I'm really sorry for you, but what did you expect? You have 5 Ogres.

I played the two game with boneheaded ogres before... and i expected some of it at this game, too.

But it never happend before, that 3 ogres are down and too boneheaded to get up at all. So, with MA 5, they are out for at last 2 turns ! I was doing a lot of improvisations with my gobbos to fill the gapes and iÂ´m lucky i didnt lose some gobbos in this game !

It was just frustrating, that every of the "da plan " was brought down not only by the opposite team , even more by my own players !!

trav - don't throw gobbos who have the ball. Its a very risky play that is more likely to result in your opponent having the ball than you scoring.

ianwilliams, yep, i knew now, it was a mistake to try this stunt so early. I did a TTM at my first game turn 8 first half and scored. This game i blocked with all ogres at turn 1 and all my action went to nothing...and i thought, its a sign to do a crasy stunt to equal the score!

next time with a touch back i will give the ball to a ogre for sure... especial, if there are a lot more turns to do !

and punish everyone foolish enough to get close to your cage.

Tante Kaethe, I tried this, too. Nearly all of my blocking were two dices, also a lot of my opponent dices were 2 dice against him.... but at this game it was just impossible to remove any opposite player ( just 2 KOs of the wright) from the pitch. And this is the mainstrengh of the ogres, or ?!

Hahaha, i just saw, against which team i have to play next ! A cross divison game against the best team of the other division. A very nice coach , i played against before and like to play very much, with a Elfteam ! Damm dodgy things !

I hope, i will get at last some cas...

Just one more question. Its better to give a skill to the ogre or to get one ogre with MA6 as a small surprise sometimes ?

Traveller

Tante Kaethe · Post by **Tante Kaethe** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:52 am

Hi Trav,

Just one more question. Its better to give a skill to the ogre or to get one ogre with MA6 as a small surprise sometimes ?

Provided it's not a double 5 and because it's your first skill on this team I'd rather go with Break Tackle

!

Cheers,

Tante KÃ¤the.

Post by **Dave** » Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:12 pm

I agree with Tante here ..

play them easy trav .. take time to score etc .. etc ..

and enjoy in the boneheading, as it's not your fault anymore

Bizzy · Post by **Bizzy** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:03 pm

Elves vs Ogre.

That is an ugly as hell match early on when no one really has skill.

But late on when the elves all blodge, it is going to be hell to take them down with no block and no tackle on an orgre.

Best of luck to you hope to kill anything in the way and do your best.

Good Luck

Tante Kaethe · Post by **Tante Kaethe** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:08 pm

I totally agree with Bizzy here, it's really hard to bring your opponents down

. You shouldn't expect to make a lot of CAS, for that you need General Skills access to get Block Tackle and Dirty Player...
Ogres will never make as many CAS as Dwarves, CD, Khemri, Chaos or Orcs (I bet that there are FUMBBL stats showing this)...
Therefore one more advice: go for the three-dice-blocks

. It may look like overkill but in fact it drastically improves your chances of success and it reduces the risk of falling over (which are 1/9 at two dice without Block). Your opponent will not give you many chances to beat on him by dodging away or not getting close to you and waiting for your Ogres to fail important rolls. So get the maximum out of the blocks and blitzes you have. You only need two assists against ST3

.

Cheers,

Tante KÃ¤the.

traveller · Post by **traveller** » Mon May 02, 2005 6:36 pm

here we go... another game is over.

This time against a good Norse team with two guard skilled Blitzers, a dauntless catcher and a chainsaw

. The coach played in the final of the last league... and come out place two of the last year league.

Ok, it all started with good weather ...and i got a handicap roll ! hehooo... #35... lets check... just great, i was allowed to choose if my team like to kick or to recieve.

I decided to receive and was hoping to bash at the beginning.

First half:
turn 1 but ... bad kick the ball scattered 2 squares next to the middle line.

Than first Block with a oger... double skull, so i used my reroll... which i had needed later when my gobbo didnt manage to pickup the ball

Turn 2 ... A dodging gobbo ... 2 another 2 ...Turnover.

Also another Gobbo went KO.
Turn 3 ... first block of a ogre going through the armor... but 1+1 at injury roll... just a stunned norse. All other blocks until than ended with 5 or 6. And this with a opposite armor of 7 !
Turn 4 ... last turn the chainsaw starts running and this turn my first Ogre stunned by this instrument of pain ! At this turn finaly 4 gobbos of my six KO and three Ogres stunned... not only down... stunned !!!

Turn 5 ... i tried to get the chainsaw... nothing... no hitting, just pushing the norse around ... and, as return, another ogre went KO inflicted by the chainsaw.

Turn 6 ... finaly one ogre brought the chainsaw down... armor roll 10... hehoo... BUT (with a +3 at Injury roll because of running chainsaw!) i rolled a 3 !!!

The dirty player of the norse team killed a gobbo fouling in this turn, too. At last no SSP for this dirty job !
Turn 7... another double skull block of my ogre... with no RR left.
Turn 8 ... just 3 Ogres left on the pitch, the gobbo laying next to fans unable to get up. TD ... 1:0 for the Norse...

second half...

Turn 1...nice blocking action of the norse. The coach managed to block my ogre nearly out into the fans... just at the last single block he got a skull and my ogre was standing laughing next to his ball carrier...
Turn 2... and he laughed so loud so he forgot to move ... BONEHEAD in this position !!!
Turn 3... the ogre went first into the fans than into the reserve box. Uff ! Finaly a ogre managed to blitz the chainsaw norse and killed him !!

Ha ! BUT... the Apo healed him and he remained at the pitch !

Turn 4 until Turn 7... the norses were evading my trys to get the ball carrier ... another 2 gobbos trying to do a job of a ogre went KO ! My Ogres didnt manage a single KO or cas in all those turns ! Just pushing of norse blitzers or standing boneheaded at the pitch...

Turn 7... finaly to much pressure and the Norse had to score 2:0
Turn 8... bashing time... last 4 blocks of the ogres... just pushes... and this all with at last 2 dices blocks !

Last try to give my pogostick a needed single SPP for a comp... he didnt catch the ball !

A bit boring game... not much challenge for the opposite coach as he got enough manpower to do what he liked. I Â´m helping him to join the NAF

One Gobbo dead, one gobbo got a MVP... a skill. Sidestep ? Any ideas ? Another ogre got a skill, too ... Guard, Block or another Breaktackle ? The only real positive thing i earned 70.000 and can buy another 6th ogre

Bonehead count: First half: 2 Second half : 3 Not bad this time... but still no blocking skill on my ogre. Maybe i should rename the team into " The soft giants " ?

Next game against Dwarfs and the winning coach of the last league year... ohohoh ! NAF Doc Tito... for those who knew him...

Traveller

Tante Kaethe · Post by **Tante Kaethe** » Mon May 02, 2005 7:10 pm

Hi Trav,

I'd give Catch to the Goblin (for easy Hand-offs and for enhancing your chances on desparate TTM plays) but Side Step and maybe Diving Tackle are also good choices.

Another ogre got a skill, too ... Guard, Block or another Breaktackle ?

You can't give Block (unless it's a double) so take Break Tackle (if you havn't got it yet) or Guard.

But to cheer you up: my Ogre league team isn't doing great too

. 5 games (1 win and 4 losses) and my TR is still at 127 (we started at TR 110

) : from the 7 CAS against me I suffered 4 deaths (including my Sure Hands/Break Tackle Ogress

) and two SI (I caused 11 CAS)
-> You are not alone...

Cheers

Tante KÃ¤the.

Bizzy · Post by **Bizzy** » Mon May 02, 2005 7:32 pm

If you are allowed to get block as a skill on your Ogres, then TAKE IT. Your team will become near impossible to beat. If they can't then take a second Break Tackle. This way if the first one decides to be stupid then you can use your other one to follow him up and help him out. Dodge away with one Ogre fail, then use your back up one. I think you should be able to win a few games. Dwarves, and especially the league champion is going to be a living hell to beat. Two guys with dauntless, and all but 4 men starting with block (I think it might be only 2 that don't) so you are in a world of disaster. Use your ST and try to isolate each of the little half sized men and win by killing.

You are just unlucky with dice maybe Nuffle is testing you.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:28 pm

I wouldn't bother with catch on a gobbo. You want Ogres to do the ball handling so give him Sidestep to marginally improve his life expectancy (also handy when you line is full of boneheads).

The Ogre should probably take Break Tackle if you don't have two yet.

Tante Kaethe · Post by **Tante Kaethe** » Tue May 03, 2005 1:46 pm

@ian

I wouldn't bother with catch on a gobbo.

I have often found Catch to be quite usefull. I agree that the ball handling should be done by the Ogres but as Ogre teams normally have VERY few rerolls it is often good to have a Catch reroll for handing-off the ball, e.g. from an Ogre to a mobile Goblin when your cage is stuck or when the ballcarrier is marked by opposing players. And it really improves your chances for a successfull TTM-play.

Cheers

Tante Kaethe

traveller · Post by **traveller** » Tue May 03, 2005 8:51 pm

cheers for the help. I forgot, i cant take block as it was no double...

Well, i will go for another Break tackle i guess. And quite sure side step for the gobbo as i like to try to sneak a gobbo past the sideline if possible...

hm, I got one gobbo with pogostick i didnt use until now... little one never got the ball or came even near to try anything with leap.

Two guys with dauntless, and all but 4 men starting with block

and quite a few with Tackle, too...

Last game against dwarfs i manage to kick out the slayers at last

Use your ST

... thats what iÂ´m trying the last 3 games...

You are just unlucky with dice maybe Nuffle is testing you.

For sure he/she/it is !!!

btw...
http://www.thenaf.net/teams/Traveller/M ... glers.html
Here the team statistics... the 10k in the treasury is price of the the pogostick i cant insert into the team using STARS.

Traveller