passing the ball just to get SPP

[Black Hawk down]

a guy in my league is doing this to get up his SPP for his players.

i dont like him doing this because it messes up all the passing stats in the league for teams that will pass to try and score, the list is now flooded with his lineman.

also this is mostly done vs young lads and i would hope that any adult playing a kid would try and make the game fun not thrash him and bulid his team up for it.

is this "tactic" common in the game or has others tryed to stop players from doing this

we run our league in a fun envorment and i feel this is outer place in my league.

[Mad Jackal]

I think it is extremely common.

I know every one of the 50 coaches I've seen pass through are league at one point or another has thrown passes just for spp. And I'm not talking less than 1 attempt per game either.

We tried to track passing stats completions and attempts, but those numbers were always screwed up by the guys who'd not bother to track attempts - some even if the completed the pass.

One of the best coaches in our league started an all beastman chaos team and had 12 players with completions after 4 games. All to skill his squad up quicker.

We couldn't complain too much, as the wood elf coach (league champion at time) managed to convince the new guys that it was ok to fade back on kick offss and throw completion passes until his Wardancers could come in and extract the ball for the score...

I even argued collusion on that one, but rules lawyers are so darn tough to beat...

You could change the spp from passes to be only earned by a td pass ?

Or, peer pressure must be applied. Best of luck.



You could try

[Tritex]

i don't see a majotr problem with it as it is all part of the game! There are risks associated with it if you drop the ball its a turn over and the ball could also be intercepted.

If you start down this road you may also want to penalise those players who bash and foul like crazy for Injury SPP's - this is probably more harmful to a 'Friendly' league as it not only advances one coach but it also cripples the unfortunate coach at the same time.

passing is all part of the game and if I can get a few in for SPPs every game all the better!

[Duke Jan]

I know I do it. Nothing wrong with it from my point of view. But there is a risk so I only do it in the last turn of a half. One SPP can be really valuable. Any player with 1 SPP only needs an MVP award to get a skill.

By the way margretthorn, you don't get SPP for fouling casualties in LRB.

[Bonehead]

a guy in my league is doing this to get up his SPP for his players.

Does he play Khemri?

I also do it - an advantage for elves where others bash.

[juck101]

It is both legit and stupid for different reasons.

Its fine to get the odd 1spp at the start of your drive. Most elf teams tend to skill faster then any other race due to the ease of using aother player to bung a easy throw.

But its totally stupid most of the time unless you are happy to fail and waste a reroll for a greedy Spp. Chaos strike me as a terrible side to waste potentially 140ks worth of saved cash for a single spp! But their is a time and a place when its a good idea. Wardancers tend to teach people not to chuck to many stray passes, and like most thngs in life you only learn the hard way...

[Deathwing]

It's standard and accepted practice..especially if you start elves heavy with linos at the expense of positionals. All depends on the length of your league etc, if it's not really going to hurt that much if if does end up costing you a game or two when you burned a valuable reroll, then by all means throw it around.

There's little difference to my mind in trying to get that first SPP on an elf lino to get them an MVP away from a skill and trying to get a skill by looking who's got 5 (or 15) already and trying to gain a completion with them.

It's all about development and getting depth across the board, just part of team management. I started my Helfs with 9 linos and 2 DW with the definate plan of skilling up the linos before the positionals came in and started to take away more of the SPP. And yes, that included throwing 'unnecessary' passes with as many different linos as possible.
Even so, what's an acceptable risk against Dwarves or Orcs isn't gonna to be so if you're facing WDs (as juck pointed out) or gutter runners.

It's micro game and macro game, short term (on field) tactical risk v. long term development strategy. Nothing 'cheesy' about it, just part of the depth of the game. (Although taking the piss against noobs because they're less likely to exploit cocks up is getting into gamemanship territory.)

[neverdodge]

Same here, i do that a lot. You need to pass with line to get skills with them. It s the same as handing off to someone just on the TD line to score with one player instead another. It s part of the game.

As for your throwing stats, standard thrower will probably end te season by havogn more passes than any other player anyway.

You can t stop coaches from doing that, it s part of the game, every player can pass.

Just one point i agree too with deathwing :
"(Although taking the piss against noobs because they're less likely to exploit cocks up is getting into gamemanship territory.)"

The guys playing in your league got to understand that bloodbowl in a friendly league is not about powergaming, or crushing all entire team of the division, but it s about having a distraction, either if you play for fun or for competition, you still have to enjoy the game.

[DoubleSkulls]

also this is mostly done vs young lads and i would hope that any adult playing a kid would try and make the game fun not thrash him and bulid his team up for it.

This is cheesy gamesmanship. If you can I'd recommend not allowing him to use the same team to play against kids as grown ups.

[Mad Jackal]

It is both legit and stupid for different reasons.

Its fine to get the odd 1spp at the start of your drive. Most elf teams tend to skill faster then any other race due to the ease of using aother player to bung a easy throw.

But its totally stupid most of the time unless you are happy to fail and waste a reroll for a greedy Spp. Chaos strike me as a terrible side to waste potentially 140ks worth of saved cash for a single spp! But their is a time and a place when its a good idea. Wardancers tend to teach people not to chuck to many stray passes, and like most thngs in life you only learn the hard way...

I don't have a problem with the new guys passing , nor the wardancer stripping ball.

The problem I had was the Wood Elf coach telling them from the get go this was how the game was going to be played.

"New guy gets lots of spp to skill his team for future, and Old guy gets no harmed elves, and lots of tds for teh win and net td tie breaker..."

And, the chaos managed to do just fine somehow. He had a knack for rolling lots of 3s I guess.

[Chairface]

But there is a risk so I only do it in the last turn of a half. One SPP can be really valuable. Any player with 1 SPP only needs an MVP award to get a skill.

I am the same way. Overdoing it is just cheesy.

[Aksho]

I would say making this passes with your "normal" player often makes the difference if you want to get a really good Team. I have often seen this High-Elf or Woodelfe Teams with a perfekt Thrower consuming all SPP for Passing, and the rest of the Team is less skilled. If you want to get a better Team you have to make this passes especially with Teams that have a hard way to skill up.
Personally I do a mix of what Duke Jan and Deathwing wrote. At the beginning of a Leage I try to geht some different players their first SPP, or later if the whole Team is already skilled up I try the same for new players. At the running Leage looking who is near the next skill and let this player making the pass is not just legal its a necessity.

mfg Bernd

[Darkson]

Absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.

[bubb]

It's the same as throwing blocks at the end of a game where the outcome is pretty much determined...

You do it not to hurt the other team but to get 2 SPP. Same thing here. Plenty of risk either way

[stormmaster1]

It also gives some sort of relevance to the turn 8/16 drives where neither team can score. If it's against noobs then you could argue it's a bit beardy, but it's better than using experience to wipe their team of the pitch getting cas spps.