complitions ??

[J.T.L]

hi

i dont even think i spelt the title right .. meh

anyway this guy in our club asked me when you get a complition who gets the points the thrower or the catcher ? or both?

i know this is such a newbie question but i just wanted to be sure .

cheers for you help

jon

[fen]

The thrower gets the COMP and the 1 SPP for it.

[madzit]

But he only gets a spp if he threw an accurate pass, and it was caught by a player on his team.

[Tritex]

But he only gets a spp if he threw an accurate pass, and it was caught by a player on his team.

Exactly right...Its about the only way throwers gain SPP's..seems fair. Catchers get all the glory TD's!!

[Old Man Draco]

Yes, and note that it does not have to be the intended player doing the catching. If the catcher fails, but someone from the same team standing next to him catches the ball it is still a completion!

[Gorbad]

Yes, and note that it does not have to be the intended player doing the catching. If the catcher fails, but someone from the same team standing next to him catches the ball it is still a completion!

Do not listen to Draco, he's old and foolish

You get a completion, and therefore a starplayer point for the thrower, if the ball was caught after an accurate pass. By definition, if someone other than the intended receiver catches the ball, it is inaccurate and no completion is awarded. What Draco probably meant, is that it isn't a turn-over if the ball is caught by your team, whichever way it scattered before.

[Old Man Draco]

Sorry gorbad, but I don't agree here.

In the rules it states that the pass has to be accurate. It does not say that the catch has to be made by the intended receiver. If the intended receiver fails to catch the ball and it bounces to a player on the same team who does catch it, it is a completion!

You youngsters always want to try and beat up the old guys because they seem to know shit, but sometimes just sit down and listen to the old pro's!

[Mootaz]

Yes, and note that it does not have to be the intended player doing the catching. If the catcher fails, but someone from the same team standing next to him catches the ball it is still a completion!

Do not listen to Draco, he's old and foolish

You get a completion, and therefore a starplayer point for the thrower, if the ball was caught after an accurate pass. By definition, if someone other than the intended receiver catches the ball, it is inaccurate and no completion is awarded. What Draco probably meant, is that it isn't a turn-over if the ball is caught by your team, whichever way it scattered before.

wrong!

2 prerequisites:
1) Accurate pass
2) Caught by teammember other than the thrower.

Even if the pass is not caught by the intended receiver, goes then out of bounds, flies across the field, bounces to opponent, is not caught, bounces to teammember, it is still a completion, as long as the original pass was accurate. Sounds strange but it's still OK.

[Gorbad]

wrong!

2 prerequisites:
1) Accurate pass
2) Caught by teammember other than the thrower.

Even if the pass is not caught by the intended receiver, goes then out of bounds, flies across the field, bounces to opponent, is not caught, bounces to teammember, it is still a completion, as long as the original pass was accurate. Sounds strange but it's still OK.

LRB: CATCHING MODIFIERS
Catching an accurate pass +1
Catching a scattered pass, bouncing ball or throw-in +0

-So either it is an accurate pass, or it is not.

LRB: THROWING
Roll a D6, and add or subtract any of the modifiers that apply to the D6 roll. A roll of 1 before modification always fails and a roll of 6 before modification always succeeds. If the final modified score equals or beats the required roll, the pass is accurate and lands in the target square. If the D6 roll is less than the required total, then the pass is not accurate and will scatter.

-So it is accurate when you throw it to the intended receiver, if you do not roll enough, it wil scatter, and is therefore no longer an accurate pass. If the receiver doesn't catch it, the ball will bounce, and thus no longer be an accurate pass.

LRB: SPP
Completions (COMP): A player who makes an accurate pass of the ball that is in the possession of another player from his own team when the ball comes to rest earns 1 Star Player point. An accurate pass is called a 'completion' or complete pass.

We have concluded that it is not an accurate pass if the intended receiver doesn't immediately catch it, so applying that to the COMP rules, you do not get an SPP.

[Old Man Draco]

Answers in read

LRB: CATCHING MODIFIERS Indeed CATCHING modifiers, they have nothing to to with telling if the pass was accurate
Catching an accurate pass +1
Catching a scattered pass, bouncing ball or throw-in +0

-So either it is an accurate pass, or it is not. this only aplies to determine if the catch is made with a +1 or not

LRB: THROWING
Roll a D6, and add or subtract any of the modifiers that apply to the D6 roll. A roll of 1 before modification always fails and a roll of 6 before modification always succeeds. If the final modified score equals or beats the required roll, the pass is accurate and lands in the target square. If the D6 roll is less than the required total, then the pass is not accurate and will scatter.

-So it is accurate when you throw it to the intended receiver, if you do not roll enough, it wil scatter, and is therefore no longer an accurate pass. If the receiver doesn't catch it, the ball will bounce, and thus no longer be an accurate pass.

How can the pass not be accurate if it lands first on the square where it is intended to go? The fact that a catcher did not catch it on the square where it first went does not make the pass inaccurate!

LRB: SPP
Completions (COMP): A player who makes an accurate pass of the ball that is in the possession of another player from his own team when the ball comes to rest earns 1 Star Player point. An accurate pass is called a 'completion' or complete pass.

We have concluded that it is not an accurate pass if the intended receiver doesn't immediately catch it, so applying that to the COMP rules, you do not get an SPP. Sorry wrong, your conclusion that the pass all of a sudden is not accurate anymore is wrong. The only factor counting if a pass is accurate is the pass roll itself, not the catch roll in the end. Passes that are not accurate are either fumbles or scattered passes. In this case both are not true, so the pass is accurate

And wasn't this in a FAQ somewhere? I'm not sure.

[Old Man Draco]

Just had a look, it's not in Q&A!

[Gorbad]

Answers in read

LRB: CATCHING MODIFIERS Indeed CATCHING modifiers, they have nothing to to with telling if the pass was accurate
Catching an accurate pass +1
Catching a scattered pass, bouncing ball or throw-in +0

-So either it is an accurate pass, or it is not. this only aplies to determine if the catch is made with a +1 or not

LRB: THROWING
Roll a D6, and add or subtract any of the modifiers that apply to the D6 roll. A roll of 1 before modification always fails and a roll of 6 before modification always succeeds. If the final modified score equals or beats the required roll, the pass is accurate and lands in the target square. If the D6 roll is less than the required total, then the pass is not accurate and will scatter.

-So it is accurate when you throw it to the intended receiver, if you do not roll enough, it wil scatter, and is therefore no longer an accurate pass. If the receiver doesn't catch it, the ball will bounce, and thus no longer be an accurate pass.

How can the pass not be accurate if it lands first on the square where it is intended to go? The fact that a catcher did not catch it on the square where it first went does not make the pass inaccurate!

LRB: SPP
Completions (COMP): A player who makes an accurate pass of the ball that is in the possession of another player from his own team when the ball comes to rest earns 1 Star Player point. An accurate pass is called a 'completion' or complete pass.

We have concluded that it is not an accurate pass if the intended receiver doesn't immediately catch it, so applying that to the COMP rules, you do not get an SPP. Sorry wrong, your conclusion that the pass all of a sudden is not accurate anymore is wrong. The only factor counting if a pass is accurate is the pass roll itself, not the catch roll in the end. Passes that are not accurate are either fumbles or scattered passes. In this case both are not true, so the pass is accurate

And wasn't this in a FAQ somewhere? I'm not sure.

If the ball deviates or hits the ground, it is no longer accurate, and I quoted the catch rules to show how the rule book also clearly separates between an accurate pass, and a non-accurate pass, ie. "a scattered pass, bouncing ball or throw-in".

[Cloggy]

Always fun when you are a new guy with what seems to be a simple question and before you know it some experienced guys start bitch-slapping eachother across the forum

I'll bet after reading through the responses so far he'll be feeling a lot less confused.............

[J.T.L]

thansk for all the replys guys !

so just to keep it simple....

a guy on my team is going to throw it to another guy on my team ..

he throws it accurate....they other guy gets +1 to catch and dose so ... that counts as a complition for the guy who threw it .. yes

but if they guy who is going to catch it dose not ... and the ball is cought by another member of my team it dose not count as a complition ... or dose it !?!?

cheers for your help guys ... ( hope im not being a pian )

jon

[Cloggy]

Question 1: YES

Question 2: /me sits back, grabs a beer and watches the fight escalate