Defensive Setups

copper · Post by **copper** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:05 pm

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Juggernaut · Post by **Juggernaut** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:56 am

with my Ogre team I lately made a new setup - but it needs 8 ogres, so some development needed before

here it is:

_ _ _ _ l O _ O _ O _ O l _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ l _ _ _ _ _ _ _ l _ _ _ _
_ _ _ O l _ _ _ _ _ _ _ l O _ _ _
_ O _ _ l G _ _ G _ _ G l _ _ O _

or this one - depends on opponents players:

_ _ _ _ l O _ O _ O _ O l _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ l _ _ _ _ _ _ _ l _ _ _ _
_ _ O _ l _ _ _ _ _ _ _ l _ O _ _
_ O _ _ l G _ _ G _ _ G l _ _ O _

it makes almost unbreakable LoS and with skills like Sidestep on goblins it is very good even against BGs.

honeycomb kid · Post by **honeycomb kid** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:08 pm

Unbreakable because everybody's ST 5. Not because of the setup. Don't really see why the gobbos need sidestep for the first turn - I think they're pretty safe where they are.

Ravage · Post by **Ravage** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:40 pm

it's not unbreakable at all. Any st4's on the team make it obviously easy to get an advantage against a 4-ogre LoS, and even without it all you need to do is start on one end and work your way down with a stacked offensive LoS. IMO the most effective Ogre LoS is stacked 6 or more, and certainly not spaced every other square

chunky04 · Post by **chunky04** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:53 am

My preference (outside of other factors such as Frenzy) is:

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....|.O.O.O.|....
.O..|.......|..O.
..O.|O.....O|.O..
....|O.....O|....

With the back players tending to change position quite a bit depending on the opposition. Stand Firm or higher strength players are valued for the flank players

The formation also changes slightly when you want to protect vulnerable players lurking in the widezones and have expendable players (Necro are the chief team I use that for).

It allows an aggressive attack on the back field, and attempts to channel the opposition into the middle.

I tend to find the formation highly adaptable.

Juggernaut · Post by **Juggernaut** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:12 pm

browwnrob wrote:What defensive setups do you guys use with your teams vs other teams, Ill collect them in time and update this post accordingly depending on the style of race your playing against!
Rob

hi honeycomb kid - as you can see, Rob wanted different races, so I wrote about my ogre team.... And yes - I use this setup because they are ST5. Gobos would be bad there in place of Ogres

But a big guy or ST4 players + some guards can always break through, thats why sidestep on gobos is good.
to Ravage: sure - LoS with 6 Ogres is surely unbreakable, but your gobos are not safe - if you play some

Cloggy · Post by **Cloggy** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:43 pm

slup wrote:Using wood elf i set up in order to protect expensive players and prepare to flood the opponents half with players.
Since i am faster than any opponent i see no need to try and stop him.
The fastest catcher should go just behind the treeman:
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....|..LTL..|....
....|...C...|....
....|L..L..L|....
....|..WCW..|....
....|...P...|....
L=Lineelf
T=Treeman
C=Catcher
W=Wardancer
P=Thrower(passer)

Well, this setup would enable me to blitz your fastest catcher in my first turn with that tackle/MB blitzer type I have right? Just takes one succesfull block against either of the linefodder linos and a blitzing lane is opened. Would not be my choice, though I do agree with you that against most opponents Woodies can get away with leaving the flanks open when choosing to protect the positionals.

slup · Post by **slup** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:59 am

Cloggy wrote:
slup wrote:Using wood elf i set up in order to protect expensive players and prepare to flood the opponents half with players.
Since i am faster than any opponent i see no need to try and stop him.
The fastest catcher should go just behind the treeman:
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....|..LTL..|....
....|...C...|....
....|L..L..L|....
....|..WCW..|....
....|...P...|....
L=Lineelf
T=Treeman
C=Catcher
W=Wardancer
P=Thrower(passer)
Well, this setup would enable me to blitz your fastest catcher in my first turn with that tackle/MB blitzer type I have right? Just takes one succesfull block against either of the linefodder linos and a blitzing lane is opened. Would not be my choice, though I do agree with you that against most opponents Woodies can get away with leaving the flanks open when choosing to protect the positionals.

The bonus is when you have tackle i have side step on the linos at the line so i can move to where i would be most in the way and guard on the treeman makes it a 1-die block (assuming he is not knocked down)

MickeX · Post by **MickeX** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:27 pm

I usually go with:

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....|..OOO..|....
....|.......|....
..O.|.O...O.|.O..
.O..|x.....x|..O.

This is to avoid getting pushed out or to the sideline. The x players are normally protected. Together with the two on the far sides, they can attack recievers or a fast ballcarrier. I've found it important to avoid getting all players tied up in turn 1.

If there's some chance I can avoid getting the LOS knocked over, the middle four (or even all eight) can be moved one step forward.