Turnovers, probabely asked before but ..

[Dave]

How do you play them.
In my league we go without them, as we think this encourages sportmanship This might represent me with a problem when playing a tourny but ...

How do you all treat them ??

[Xynok]

I assume you are referring to forgetting to move the Turn Marker?

In our League, if you are called for not moving it, the calling Coach gets a Free Team ReRoll. This is incentive enough; nothing like giving your opponent that game winning RR he wouldn't have had if you had been paying attention! We agree the published rule is ridiculous, because turnovers are way too huge, and all it does it promote ill feelings.

We enforce the exact same penalty in regards to Wild Animal. If you are called for not moving your WA first, the calling Coach gets a Free Team ReRoll. The WA must then take his action as normal, or do nothing at all.

It has proven to be a tried and true method.

[Grumbledook]

Illegal procedure. I never bother calling them, its not often it happens and its kind of a cheap way of winning. In the recent spiky tourney I only came close once to giving away an IP but i remembered to move my marker b4 i was called for it. It becomes habit, move turn marker, roll over stunned players, then roll double skull or double 1 ;]

[franck_le_grand]

I only call them if I'm loosing big time (like behind 1-5). Otherwise it sucks, and most coaches almost always remebers it, and if they don't they almost every time have a re-roll they can use.

[Babs]

You guy's don't even call IP even in a tournament where there are miniatures and NAF ranking up for grabs?

Hmmm. I guess I always did play 'for sheep stations' (And if you don't get the saying you're obviously not an Aussie!).

As a school teacher, the best way to get people to remember something is to be tough on them. This is why the rule was put there in the first place. After teaching many players BB I can say that the ones who have had opponents call them all the time remember to move their turn marker much better than those who haven't. Sometimes You have to be cruel to be kind (and it just might be fun to do it to those who are better at the game than you!)

Normally I give one warning in any game. After that, be prepared to spend re-rolls to keep the turn!

[Marcus]

Always call them in league games, never call them in tournaments (I moved my opponents turn marker for him a couple of times at the Spiky, yes that includes once in the semi-final)

In a tournament you want your opponent's best game; you don't need to take advantage of tournament nerves to get an edge. If my opponent was a complete muppet and I had to point it out more than twice a match, I'd more than likely tell them to watch their turn marker or I would call IP.

In our league we're all so closely matched that we like to get any little advantage we can. We also relish being able to laugh at our opponent when they IP, more so if it causes them to lose the game. That's mates though

[SBG]

I agree with Marcus here : I always call it in season games. I never had the chance to play in atournament though (we don't have much of them around here ), but I think I would call them : if it's in the rulebook, it's in the rulebook !

Fred

[Valen]

There are certain players I will call them against (people of similar skill) and some I will not (newbies), it all depends on skill, and wether it will give me a cheap laugh at an experienced coach.

[McDeth]

Illegal procedure. I never bother calling them, its not often it happens and its kind of a cheap way of winning. In the recent spiky tourney I only came close once to giving away an IP but i remembered to move my marker b4 i was called for it. It becomes habit, move turn marker, roll over stunned players, then roll double skull or double 1 ;]

Please tell me this wasn't against me, i'd have moved the damn thing for you if neccesary, infact i did in the previous game.

[Grumbledook]

Heh no it wasn't against you, it was one of the ealier games. Its very rare for me to forget to move the marker. I had a nasty game vs a skaven coach when i was starting out and he called me for it nearly every turn, nice start to the game, he allready had a higher team rating, needless to say he won, but he didn't get to call me for them again.

[Joaquim]

I think that the fun you can have just for saying:
Hey.. you forgot the turn maker again... I won't count ilegal procedure...

And a little later:

Of course that, if you win, it's because I forgived you all those things...



Saying that is profit enough... who needs the other to lost also a re-roll?!? Isn't his focus enough?

Joaquim

[longfang]

At the Spikey tourney I had a game against a guy playing Dwarfs. I could have called him for IP at least 4 or 5 times. Each time I reminded him to move his turn counter, even though he was kicking the shit out of my team by fouling. He had 2 DP's and had 3 players sent off, I was down to 5 or 6 left on the pitch and he still fouled me and loudly let everyone in the hall know about every casualty. I still gave him 7 sportsmanship points because fouling IS part of the game if thats the way you want to play it. So I carried on reminding him (even though I would really have liked to Bat his loud mouth and silence the ass!). I did find out after the tourney that he awarded me 9 sportsmanship points. Next time I'm gonna ruin his day and call him for every IP but I still won't call it for anyone else in league or tourny.

[Deathwing]

.... and loudly let everyone in the hall know about every casualty...

We couldn't hear him down on the bottom tables....
Aren't Dwarves supposed to have the Book of Grudges, and not vice-versa?

[Lucien Swift]

i called an IP just once that i can recall, because i hated the other guy like poison... but i've met very few bb players who ever bothered to enforce the rule, i think it falls under the sportsmanship category, good sports know the rule, but are happy to overlook it... jackasses make a big deal about it and do a little dance when they can hit you with it... much like a player's approach to fouling, IP reveals a lot about the character of the opponent, and is a great way to filter undesirables out of your gaming group....

[Marcus]

I know the guy you're talking about Longfang. All I can say is I'm glad I never played him. I sat within 10 metres of him for 2 games though and he threw me off both games by generally being a loud obnoxious twunt. In fact, I think one of the games was vs you, I remember you giving me a look that seemed to say "should we go sort that guy out now so we can get on with the game?"

Needless to say, had I played him there'd have been no mercy on the IP calls. As for sportsmanship, you can't mark a guy down for enjoying the game, you can't mark him down for fouling, but you can mark him down for not taking into account his opponent's ability to enjoy the game. That's the core of sportsmanship in my opinion - ensuring your opponent enjoys the game, win lose or draw.

That cuts back to IP as well. If your opponent is well into the game and forgets, it's sporting to move his turn marker for him. If he's just some tool who forgets because he's, well, a tool, then he's detracting from your enjoyment of the game by forcing you to observe the game mechanics for him. Make that IP call and sleep well at night.