LRB 4 league

csc1551 · Post by **csc1551** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:49 pm

Greetings,

Using a league packet made over the last 10 years, we are trying to get a league going in our GW store in St. Louis, MO, USA. Even though the rulebook has most of these, due to problems (cheating, rule lawyers, etc) some specific issues needed to be included. Please review. All comments are welcomed. Keep in mind, this is ONLY LRB 4 and will not be upgraded to LRB 5.

Cheers,
C. Curtis

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The Rule Book
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Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:21 pm

One rule I would delete is rule 6 (All skills declared prior to roll). This greatly reduces the usefulness of these skills. Also, you say ALL skill use, so this should also include Dodge. And having to declare Dodge use before rolling means this skill is totally useless.

Just go with the official rules on this one and allow skill use after the roll.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:30 pm

Two comments:

1)
[quote]The Rule Book
All games will be played using the â€œofficial rulesâ€

slup · Post by **slup** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:05 pm

3. Pass actions do not have to be declared until the ball is to be thrown.

If i played elves or a team with TTM(orcs) in that league i would find many ways to abuse this rule.
If i played any other race i would still abuse it allthough not as often (maybe just out of principle

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Regarding miniatures i would like the following addition:
The miniatures used must clearly display each players position

csc1551 · Post by **csc1551** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:49 am

declaring the skills... we had this due to the previous changes in might blow, i.e. it is either on armor or injury. It can only be used on one, so if they want it to break armour and a player rolls a 9 to break a 8 good, but if someone rolls an 8 to tie, they can't just decide to use the +1 for the armor. therefore the skill would have to be declared for either armour only or injury only for each knock down.

passing, if someone wants to pick up the ball, good, but then if they move and decided not to throw it, then that's should be their option. Also, if a player with the ball moves he could then throw the ball at any time during his movement vs. saying "#13 is going to pass to #4" then moving into pass range. If player #13 need to stretch twice to get to his throwing postion and fails once, but uses a reroll and passes, a coach may rethink making the second stretch. Also, if the ball carrier has the ball and fails a dodge (without the skill) a reroll could be used, but if the coach was planning on using the reroll on the pass if it failed, the coach may no longer wish to make the pass.

those were some examples of why the skills would only be declared before using them

thanks for the ideas, I hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

cheers,

slup · Post by **slup** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:06 am

declaring the skills... we had this due to the previous changes in might blow, i.e. it is either on armor or injury. It can only be used on one, so if they want it to break armour and a player rolls a 9 to break a 8 good, but if someone rolls an 8 to tie, they can't just decide to use the +1 for the armor. therefore the skill would have to be declared for either armour only or injury only for each knock down.

I recommend doing as Galac said:
Roll armour, apply mighty blow if needed, roll injury if allowed, apply mighty blow if still available.

Passing:
The LRB states the following:
You do not have to pass the ball or a team-mate if you have declared a passing action, you may choose not to pass at all.
You do not have to declare the target and passing position of a pass when declaring a pass action.
LRB sequence of passing action:
Declare passing action, move as much as you like and is able to, choose target, pass the ball (or team-mate).

Also, if the ball carrier has the ball and fails a dodge (without the skill) a reroll could be used, but if the coach was planning on using the reroll on the pass if it failed, the coach may no longer wish to make the pass.

This is the one i would abuse heavily with an elf team (in addition to not declaring a passing action if i fail a really stupid roll and had a TTM in mind).

Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:09 am

csc1551 wrote:declaring the skills... we had this due to the previous changes in might blow, i.e. it is either on armor or injury. It can only be used on one, so if they want it to break armour and a player rolls a 9 to break a 8 good, but if someone rolls an 8 to tie, they can't just decide to use the +1 for the armor. therefore the skill would have to be declared for either armour only or injury only for each knock down.

Why do you think they can't (or shouldn't?) be able to use Mighty Blow to break armor when they only tie in their roll? It is explicitly allowed in the rules and is best played that way. Trust Galak in that aspect.

csc1551 wrote: passing, if someone wants to pick up the ball, good, but then if they move and decided not to throw it, then that's should be their option. Also, if a player with the ball moves he could then throw the ball at any time during his movement vs. saying "#13 is going to pass to #4" then moving into pass range. If player #13 need to stretch twice to get to his throwing postion and fails once, but uses a reroll and passes, a coach may rethink making the second stretch. Also, if the ball carrier has the ball and fails a dodge (without the skill) a reroll could be used, but if the coach was planning on using the reroll on the pass if it failed, the coach may no longer wish to make the pass.

As aslup already mentioned. You can decide not to pass even though you declared a Pass action. And you don't have to declare the target of your pass until you actually throw. So in order to avoid abuse, have the player declare the Pass action at the beginning of his action, but put the above explanation regarding Pass (you can decide not to throw, etc.) in your rules so everyone explicitly knows them.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:35 am

Yep - rescind the "declare before rolling" house rule. Diving Tackle sucks if you do that (its rarely a high priority skill anyway) and MB and DP are worse than intended.

I'd also ban IP and allow voluntary catches.

Other than that looks fine to me.

csc1551 · Post by **csc1551** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:54 pm

Thanks for the input. We're going to have our first league meeting in 1.5 weeks. The general feeling so far is NOT to use LRB 5. So we'll be sticking with 4.