Pass to a shadowing receiver

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Pass to a shadowing receiver

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If you pick a player to be the target of the pass and that player successfully uses shadowing to move out of his original square (he is following a pass blocker) where does the pass come down, assuming that it is accurate?

Since the rules say that the target of a pass is a player or an empty square it looks like the ball would come down on the player in his new location.

Is this the intent or should the wording of pass be changed?

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I'm sure the intent is that you pass to a square and there may or may not be a player (of either team) in that square. So if the player moves before the ball lands (i.e. during pass block) then it will be aimed at an empty square.

The same situation could arise (without the shadowing) if the passer threw the ball directly to an opposing player who had pass block. This could be useful on turn 8 if that player had already moved. :roll: The pass block player could move to an interception position to reduce the chance that he would end with the ball. :evil:

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I think the pass is aimed at the player and not the square he occupies.
The sequence goes like this:
1. declare target
2. pass block / intercept and shadowing
3. check distance (after the above movements)
4. throw and catch
Note that after the shadowing player moved the distance for the throw could be different from when before he moved. Not sure what happens if he is now out of the max throwing distance. Could also happen if the pass-blocking player stands adjacent to the passing player who has shadowing and follows up.
Really not sure on this one.

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Post by Mordredd »

From the LRB 5 shadowing skilll description.
The player may use this skill when a player performing an Action on the opposing team moves out of any of his tackle zones for any reason.
Pass block is not an action so you can't use shadowing on a player when he moves using pass block. So this situation will never come up.
Bonehead wrote:The sequence goes like this:
1. declare target
2. pass block / intercept and shadowing
3. check distance (after the above movements)
4. throw and catch
Actually the sequence goes like this:
1. declare target.
2. check range.
3. move pass blockers (no shadowing allowed).
4. make intercept attempt (if any).
5. throw (and maybe catch).

From the LRB 5 pass block skilll description.
This move is made out of sequence, after the range has been measured, but before any interception attempts have been made.
Bevan wrote:...if the passer threw the ball directly to an opposing player who had pass block. This could be useful on turn 8 if that player had already moved. :roll: The pass block player could move to an interception position to reduce the chance that he would end with the ball. :evil:
This could only be the case when using dump off in your opponent's turn 8. The pass block player could move to an intercept position, and then decline to make the intercept attempt. (As the target square can't be changed after pass block moves the ball would go to where the pass blocker was originally standing, not to his new square.)

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Mordredd wrote:From the LRB 5 shadowing skilll description.
The player may use this skill when a player performing an Action on the
opposing team moves out of any of his tackle zones for any reason.
Pass block is not an action so you can't use shadowing on a player when he moves using pass block. So this situation will never come up.
Doesn't it count as a normal action? It says in the rules the player is allowed to move. Then I think that it is something special and not counted as an action.
My listed sequence was also not right. :oops: First measure the range, then pass block.

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Post by GalakStarscraper »

Shadowing was changed so that it no longer works on players not taking an Action. You cannot Shadow a Pass Block now ... just like you cannot shadow an opponent being pushed from a block anymore.

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