Multiple Block & Blitz

[Indigo]

Is it possible? The rules are ambiguous.

The rule says "at the beginning of a block action..." which some say means no blitzes allowed. But the definition of a blitz is a move action and a block action, implying it IS allowed.

Some clarification/justification appreciated.

[Mootaz]

No, it is not allowed. A Blitz is a move and a block, but not a block action.

EDIT: You can see it on the list of differences here:
viewtopic.php?t=19861&start=0&highlight=Multiple

[Indigo]

I fail to see the distinction. Are you seriously saying there is a tangible difference between a "block" and a "block action"? What IS that difference? :?

Furthermore, I was under the impression that there were other skills where blitz wasn't mentioned explicitly but it is still allowed. I will try to find an example.

If it is the case:

a) Why isn't the distinction clearly made? (i.e. at the beginning of a block BUT NOT A BLITZ)

b) Why was this changed?

[Mootaz]

A block action is one of the actions you can take with your player like move, pass, etc. A block on the other hand is when you hit another player. Example with multiblock: You have one block action and make 2 blocks with it.

I don't remember when or why this was changed, or why the wording on mutliblock is different, but that's the way it works with multiblock.
Sorry, can't say more than that.

[Snew]

LIST OF ACTIONS
Move: The player may move a number of squares equal to their
Movement Allowance (MA)
Block: The player may make a single block against a player in
an adjacent square. Players that are Prone may not perform this
Action.
Blitz: The player may move a number of squares equal to their
MA. He may make one block during the move. The block may be
made at any point during the move, and ‘costs’ one square of
movement.
IMPORTANT: This Action may not be declared by more than one
player per turn. However, any player may perform a Blitz – the
player doesn’t have to be a Blitzer (Blitzers are just better at it
than other players).
Pass: The player may move a number of squares equal to his
MA. At the end of the move the player may pass the ball.
IMPORTANT: This Action may not be declared by more than one
player per turn.
NOTE: The Extra Rules section adds two additional Actions:
Hand-off (see page 20) and Foul (see page 23). Neither of
these Actions may be declared by more than one player per turn.

What's listed above is a Block action. A Block is a Block action and a Blitz is a Blitz action. Stupid semantics, huh?

[Indigo]

I can see what your saying, but it's delightfully ambiguous

Consider this, the Grab skill.

"... only while making a BLOCK ACTION ... "

yet in the same paragraph

"... when making a block or blitz action grab and side step cancel ..."

Since side step cannot be used by the Blitzer, it strongly suggests "when the blitzer has grab and the blitzee has side step they cancel..."

which them implies grab can be be used on a block or blitz. If not, why specify that grab can't be used against SS on a block OR blitz?

[Snew]

You're right. These rules are no better than what we had before.

[GalakStarscraper]

I can see what your saying, but it's delightfully ambiguous

I'll actually argue that its not Indigo. Argument to follow:

I fail to see the distinction. Are you seriously saying there is a tangible difference between a "block" and a "block action"? What IS that difference? :?

There is a very tangible difference between a "block" and a "Block Action"

In the new rule book you will find one of two things:

block
or
Block Action

Note the caps and italitics. If it says block in the rules that is something done when someone hits comeone else during a Block Action or a Blitz Action. If the rulebook says Block Action than that means a block made without movement is the only way the rule applies.

Furthermore, I was under the impression that there were other skills where blitz wasn't mentioned explicitly but it is still allowed. I will try to find an example.

You should not be able to find any. The reason being that we spent a lot of time going through the rulebook and trying to make sure we seperated block and Block Action in all the text.

Multiple Block says it can only be used during a Block Action which means just what it says ... you cannot use the skill during a Blitz Action.

Grab has two seperate abilities that are spelled out by looking at which actions allow which pieces:
Block Action = choose square opponent is pushed back to and Side Step is negated.
Blitz Action = Side Step is negated.

So if it is still ambiguous to you let me know why. This was a major rewrite effort of the rulebook ... and I thought it was done pretty well ... but I have obvious bias on that note.

Galak

[Indigo]

Why was it changed?

Out of curiosity

[GalakStarscraper]

Why was it changed?

Out of curiosity

The text? Because too many people got "block" and "Block Action" confused since the LRB 4.0 used the same word for both. Created a lot of FAQs.

The Multiple Block skill? Because JJ actually deleted it from the rulebook at one point because we had 3 different FAQs for the skill on the FAQ page. Without question it was the most confusing skill in Blood Bowl for rulings and interaction with other skills. So JJ deleted it. The BBRC asked to put it back. He said only if we could make a version that was very low mileage on FAQs. The new version of Multiple Block is the result of 2 weeks of debate between the BBRC and JJ to create a version of the skill that he would allow back in the LRB 5.0. Removing the ability to use the skill during a Blitz Action was one of the items that needed to be done to keep the skill simple and pretty much FAQ free.

Galak

[kithor2002]

Because it is overpowered

[grotuk]

Just a quick answer about MB:

The 2 opposite players must be adjacement each other? With the new rule appears as just be necessary to be adjacement to your player...

[Mordredd]

With the new rule appears as just be necessary to be adjacement to your player...

That is how it now works. There were too many (idiotic) FAQs associated with whether opposing players on corner to corner diagonals could be considered "adjacent to each other".

[grotuk]

With the new rule appears as just be necessary to be adjacement to your player...

That is how it now works. There were too many (idiotic) FAQs associated with whether opposing players on corner to corner diagonals could be considered "adjacent to each other".

Thanks mate!