Should Brettonians be in Bloodbowl?

[Digger Goreman]

*shrug*, as far as getting "shouted down" (by the deafening roar of silence, for me) try telling someone that it's for the best of the game (meta-level thinking) to reduce the number of teams by half instead of increasing them at all!

Am I in the minority... cheesy crackers... I might be the only one. Do I really believe it best for the game... YES! Am I upset that the majority didn't even give my view ONE single nod or rejection? NO! The only person taking my viewpoint personally is me... and I'm not taking the obvious rejection that way....

At least the Brett idea is getting air!

Good luck... but don't take the rejection personally....

[voyagers_uk]

This isn't just about Martin's team. There is a very similar quasi-official team being playtested in the MBBL, and Galak has said JJ has shown some interest in making them official in 2008. When he does, it would be nice for the overwhelming public antipathy to be noted. And ignored, obviously, just like it was with Khemri and Pro Elves and Ogres and ...

Joe, I hate having things forced on me at least as much as it seems you do... But, I hate being told that because you think they suck that I cannot have them either...well maybe hate is a strong word, but the feeling is not a nice one.

Superman team sounds fun I am guessing the rerolls would be 300k each!

ludicrous team selection aside. I would love there to be more teams that have a unique flavour, and the Knights of Camelot(it's only a model) would greatly enhance the tabletop. As would a proper Amazon team, The Slann and Chaos Humans. I am a great advocate of them and will one day get around to posting my generation roster.

you want Chaos Humans, so do I; Martin wants Bretonnians, so do I

I cannot be wrong on one or I might be wrong on both.

JJ might not want somethings to be official, I merely want them to be optional!

[David Bergkvist]

Joe, I hate having things forced on me at least as much as it seems you do... But, I hate being told that because you think they suck that I cannot have them either...well maybe hate is a strong word, but the feeling is not a nice one.

Nobody is preventing you from using chaos humans or bretonnians in your own league (except for maybe your league mates). The only thing you, and everyone else, are prevented from is adding teams to the official ruleset.

[Tritex]

Have we buried this one yet?

[Duke Jan]

This isn't just about Martin's team. There is a very similar quasi-official team being playtested in the MBBL, and Galak has said JJ has shown some interest in making them official in 2008. When he does, it would be nice for the overwhelming public antipathy to be noted. And ignored, obviously, just like it was with Khemri and Pro Elves and Ogres and ...

OK, lets scrap the whole team lists and introduce team creation rules. Everyone can create their own roster, calculate values and numbers of positionals and starting skills so they have their own team. I just think there's too many official teams already and none of the new teams offer any really new possibilities. Just get a few basic rosters, up to 6 or something, and then create rules for creating official variants. With the introduction of TV players have individual values anyway.

Your starting roster should consist of maximum:
0-16 30-70k
0-6 40-100k (depending on value of 0-16 position)
up to 2 100-120 k
1 Big Guy

Done.

[Tritex]

This isn't just about Martin's team. There is a very similar quasi-official team being playtested in the MBBL, and Galak has said JJ has shown some interest in making them official in 2008. When he does, it would be nice for the overwhelming public antipathy to be noted. And ignored, obviously, just like it was with Khemri and Pro Elves and Ogres and ...

OK, lets scrap the whole team lists and introduce team creation rules. Everyone can create their own roster, calculate values and numbers of positionals and starting skills so they have their own team. I just think there's too many official teams already and none of the new teams offer any really new possibilities. Just get a few basic rosters, up to 6 or something, and then create rules for creating official variants. With the introduction of TV players have individual values anyway.

Your starting roster should consist of maximum:
0-16 30-70k
0-6 40-100k (depending on value of 0-16 position)
up to 2 100-120 k
1 Big Guy

Done.

Now that I buy into.....and the probability of more variety in skill choices also! (with limited access to skills for some races still)

[doswelk]

OK, lets scrap the whole team lists and introduce team creation rules. Everyone can create their own roster, calculate values and numbers of positionals and starting skills so they have their own team. I just think there's too many official teams already and none of the new teams offer any really new possibilities. Just get a few basic rosters, up to 6 or something, and then create rules for creating official variants. With the introduction of TV players have individual values anyway.

Your starting roster should consist of maximum:
0-16 30-70k
0-6 40-100k (depending on value of 0-16 position)
up to 2 100-120 k
1 Big Guy

Done.

I'd like to second that idea.....

Could cause problems with tournaments though.

Also I wouldn't scrap the official teams.

[Mephisto]

0-16 Squires 6 3 3 7 Skill? 50k
0-6 Knights of the Realm 7 3 3 8 Guard, Mighty Blow
0-2 Questing Knights 6 3 3 9 Block, Dauntless, Juggernaut

Or something like that.

Without Big guy of course...

[voyagers_uk]

0-16 Squires 6 3 3 7 Skill? 50k
0-6 Knights of the Realm 7 3 3 8 Guard, Mighty Blow
0-2 Questing Knights 6 3 3 9 Block, Dauntless, Juggernaut

Or something like that.

Without Big guy of course...

or something else, even I cannot swallow 6 starters with Guard

[Duke Jan]

Def not, 7338 + 2 skills is already 110 k

[GalakStarscraper]

I just think there's too many official teams already and none of the new teams offer any really new possibilities.

I agree with this except for the LRB 5.0 Slann team which doesn't play like anything currently official at all.

Galak

[Mephisto]

0-16 Squires 6 3 3 7 Skill? 50k
0-6 Knights of the Realm 7 3 3 8 Guard, Mighty Blow
0-2 Questing Knights 6 3 3 9 Block, Dauntless, Juggernaut

Or something like that.

Without Big guy of course...

or something else, even I cannot swallow 6 starters with Guard

or something else of course... I haven't think a lot about the skills. Only thought about the main appearance of the team.

Or even better:

As possitionals:

0-16 Squires (as lineman)
0-4 Knights of the Realm
0-2 Questing Knights
0-2 Grial Knights (Wardancer potential blitzers)

[plasmoid]

Hi Mephisto,
quick comment to your team:
If you want to use warhammer titles then you have to be prepared to be shouted at by the "no warhammer in BB" people. If you still do, then I suggest knight errant over knight of the realm. Knights of the realm have a realm to manage - while knights errant have more free time for blood bowl and the like.

I used Knight of the line and knight of the field for a while, as a happy medium between BB and warhammer, and got a fairly good response for those - until BB politics took over.

Also, having done some playtesting with players that start with guard - it can be balanced. But 6 of them won't be. Not unless you take the big hatchet to some of the other players.

Cheers
Martin

[plasmoid]

Hi all,
kind of a depressing thread for me, but there you go.
I do wonder about 2 things:

At seems to be a big thing that there are too many BB teams.
I agree that there are some strange ones in there (like the 4 elf teams).
I just don't get why this has to be taken out on a species that makes sense.
I mean:
*The team has fans that might want to make the transition to BB.
*Lots of lovely miniatures for converting exist.
*We have lovely rich fluff to base the team on - including a new book for WFRP.
*The nation of Brettonia is culturally, mentally or whatever distinct enough to have it's own army list, so I can't see why they wouldn't be distinct enough to have their own team.
Yes, we could play with the human team and not buy the ogre, but I don't see why.

Also, Joemanji, who has made it very clear that he dislikes my team said:
Poorly equipped linemen and flashy, arrogant blitzers.
My team has poorly equipped and poorly trained linemen, and flashy, arrogant blitzers and runners.
Is that really so far off?

Cheers
Martin

[Mordredd]

Yes, we could play with the human team and not buy the ogre, but I don't see why.

Especially as both the Empire and Bretonnia have equal access to Ogres, i.e. through Dogs of War only. So fluff wise I really can't see the relevance of whether your normal Human Bretonnian team takes the Ogre or not as it's not a national characteristic difference.