Blood Bowl 40,000

[dracleath]

I think you're all thinking at the wrong power levels.

Yeah a space marine might have wicked armor, but then so do sisters of battle, wraithguard, striking scorpions, carnifex/hive tyrants, necrons, Crisis suits, etc.

40k power levels aren't going to be the same at all, while an orc in BB is AV 9, that same orc in 40k would easilly be AV7.


I think it would be reasonable to say roughly:

Terminator level armor (2+ save in 40k) = AV 9
Power armor (3+ save in 40k) = AV 8
Non-power armor (4-5+ save) = AV 7
No armor (6+ save) = decay

The same goes with strength and agi. While a marine is strong, a warboss or crisis suit is stronger. While a marine is fast, a banshee is faster.

I think its reasonable to assume that just as in 40k while marines are amazing the other races are able to put up forces that are just as amazing.



My thoughts on 40K:

Marines:

0-16 Initiate - 40,000 6 3 3 7 G/ASP
0-2 Scout - 60,000 7 3 3 7 Sure Hands GAP/S
0-4 Space Marine - 90,000 7 3 3 8 Block GS/AP
0-2 Terminator - 90,000 4 4 2 9 Block GS/AP

0-1 Dreadnaught - 150,000 4 5 2 10 Loner, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, No Hands S/GAP


Eldar:

0-16 Dire Avenger - 60,000 6 3 4 7 GA/SP
0-4 Striking Scorpions - 90,000 6 3 4 8 Block GA/SP
0-2 Howling Banshees - 100,000 7 3 4 7 Disturbing Presence, Dauntless GA/SP
0-2 Warlock Throwers - 70,000 6 3 4 7 Pass GAP/S

0-1 Wraithlord - 150,000 5 5 3 8 Loner, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm S/GAP


Orcs:

0-16 Orc Boy- 30,000 6 3 3 7 Decay G/ASP
0-2 Passa Boy - 60,000 6 3 3 7 Decay, Sure Hands, Pass GP/AS
0-2 Grot - 30,000 6 2 3 7 Decay, Stunty, Dodge A/GSP
0-4 Mega Armor Nob - 100,000 5 4 2 9 Block GS/AP

0-1 Warboss - 150,000 5 5 2 9 Leader, Mighty Blow S/GAP


Chaos:

0-16 Cultist - 30,000 6 3 3 7 Decay GM/ASP
0-6 Chaos Marine - 90,000 7 3 3 8 Block GSM/AP
0-2 Obliterator - 100,000 4 4 2 9 Block, Claw GSM/AP

0-1 Chaos Dreadnaught - 150,000 4 5 2 10 Loner, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Wild Animal, Frenzy, No Hands SM/GAP

[ttias]

Can't most negatraits be possible for marines with a little imagination.

Take root - the big armour's out of juice, geting hit might kickstart it for a while.
Easily confused - they sucomb to the power of chaos for a while.

I say give them all the negatraits there are. Challanging and fun!

[Vaporizer]

40k power levels aren't going to be the same at all, while an orc in BB is AV 9, that same orc in 40k would easilly be AV7.

The armour value in BB is a mixture of both toughness and armour. In the case of an orc, most of their AV is actually from toughness, not armour (look at the plastic BB models, the humans are wearing MUCH more armour than the orcs) I agree orcs wouldn't be at the very top end in a 40K variant, but there is no way they'd be that low.

I think it would be reasonable to say roughly:

Terminator level armor (2+ save in 40k) = AV 9
Power armor (3+ save in 40k) = AV 8
Non-power armor (4-5+ save) = AV 7
No armor (6+ save) = decay

I'd vary this to include toughness as well:

light armour, toughness 3 = armour 7
toughness 4 light armour or toughness 3 heavy armour = armour 8
toughness 4 heavy armour or toughness 3 super-heavy armour = AV 9
toughness 4 super-heavy armour = AV9 thick skull

6+, 5+ armour = light
4+ = light or heavy depending on team balancing and fluff (eg for marine scouts it'd have to be light to ensure they have a lower armour value than marines on the finished team list, but for eldar lists it could well move up to heavy)
3+ = heavy
2+ = super-heavy

Don't like the idea of giving people decay just to represent a lack of armour, but also didn't want to put AV10 down hence the thick skull.

On the fluff side of things, I don't really think you can claim its more unlikely for 40k armies to be playing BB than for warhammer ones, lets face it in strict warhammer fluff you would NEVER see high elves and dark elves sharing a fun day out, or dwarves and orcs, or anyone and khemri. Its accepted that the rules aren't quite the same in the BB world as the warhammer world, don't see why it'd be any different with the BB40K world and the normal 40K world (or galaxy, rather)

[Lychanthrope]

I just read through all of this and the SG forum stuff. I like the idea, and wish I could help, but I'm just learning regular BB so my ability to pick up on balance is nill.

It does seem that to really get this off the ground you will need a group of people to play and experiment a bit. Someone like Tom, notice I said like Tom not Tom as he's too busy already, to run an experimental league.

I'd love to play it though. One more way to get back on the field!!

And Nuffle would still suck in 40,000 years in the future.

[TennBoy]

I guess I'm the only person that think BB40K is the dumbest idea ever thought. Don't get me wrong, in no way am I calling any of the people posting dumb.

I am not one of those gamers that reads all the WH40K, WHF, or BB history for that matter and throws it back up like it is actual Fact, but from what I gathered, not one stinking race in the 40k era would stop slinging bullets at one another for two seconds to stop and ask if the other wanted to engage in a friendly game of BB.

Well maybe all Imerial Guard teams playing BB in their off time or Clans of Orks/gobbos playing toss the snot.

And I know that people are gonna try and say making BB40k is all for FUN and thats cool, but IMO its just Retarded.

Agian not trying to poke the beast, just airing my thoughts

[Lychanthrope]

but from what I gathered, not one stinking race in the 40k era would stop slinging bullets at one another for two seconds to stop and ask if the other wanted to engage in a friendly game of BB.

I would agree, BUT not one stinking race in the WFB era would stop swing swords etc for two seconds to play a game of BB either.

BB is NOT in the Warhammer world and 40K BB wouldn't be in the 40K world either. Think of it taking place in an alternate universe. they just share certain themes, charactors, etc.

Nuffle sucks in 40K too!!

[Darkson]

but from what I gathered, not one stinking race in the 40k era would stop slinging bullets at one another for two seconds to stop and ask if the other wanted to engage in a friendly game of BB.

I would agree, BUT not one stinking race in the WFB era would stop swing swords etc for two seconds to play a game of BB either.

BB is NOT in the Warhammer world and 40K BB wouldn't be in the 40K world either. Think of it taking place in an alternate universe. they just share certain themes, charactors, etc.

Nuffle sucks in 40K too!!

Bingo! Give the wolf a cookie!

[Lychanthrope]

Bingo! Give the wolf a cookie!

I like chocolate chip.