Shadowing question

[clouds]

Hey guy's,

I was wondering the sequence to be used when using the skill shadowing.
Basically, the player on the other team declares he wants to dodge, places his player in the square he wants to go.

Do we have to make the shadowing roll before the dodge roll? If so, it would give a -1 to the dodge roll since he'd dodge in a tackle zone.

Or is it dodge roll first, followed by shadowing (wether the player on the opposing team succeeds or not the dodge roll).

And while I'm at it, when using the skill dump-off on a blitz action, do we have to wait to have the player blitzing right next to the ball carrier to do the dump-off, or is it done as soon as the blitz is announce. It would give a -1 modifier to the pass if we have to wait for the player to be next to the ball carrier.

Thanks!

[Mootaz]

You shadow after the dodge is completed (whether it succeeded or not).

You do the dump off when the opponent is next to you. Before he is there, you won't know who he will block, because you don't declare your blitz-target at the beginning of the move. Only when you are ready to hit someone you declare that he is the target of the blitz.

[Xeterog]

The player has to leave the square for you to shadow them..so dodge 1st. But even if they fail the dodge, you may then shadow them (the shadow skill) Heck, the way I'm reading it now, you could shadow someone who failed the dodge and got removed from the pitch (KO/hurt)

You don't declare the target of a blitz until you are about the throw the block. So, there is no way to know that the blitzer is targeting your Dump-off player with the ball until the Blitzer is in the square next to them and declares the block on the ball carrier.

Even if your opponent says "I'm going to blitz your ball carrier" when he activates the blitzer, you still have to wait until the blitzer is about to roll the dice for the block before dumping off.

[clouds]

For shadowing it makes sense, thanks!

As for the blitz

You don't declare the target of a blitz until you are about the throw the block. So, there is no way to know that the blitzer is targeting your Dump-off player with the ball until the Blitzer is in the square next to them and declares the block on the ball carrier.

Even if your opponent says "I'm going to blitz your ball carrier" when he activates the blitzer, you still have to wait until the blitzer is about to roll the dice for the block before dumping off.

I always thought you had to say that you blitz before moving. It makes a difference when your player has a skill like bonehead, wild animal....

Thanks for the comments

[Mootaz]

You say that you will be blitzing before you move, but you don't say who you will hit.
Thus you don't know if your ballcarrier will be hit until the opponent is about to do so.

[Cramy]

Yes, Mootaz has it right. You have to declare the blitz before you move, but you anounce who you are going to hit once you are next to them. And really, you don't even have to hit anybody when you blitz. You do waste your blitz action for that turn though.

As for the Dump-off, this is why NoS is a pretty interesting combo with Dump-Off. No matter how many assists there are for the block, you do a pass with a +1 modifier.

Others are of the opinion that it is better to give your player skills that avoid your ball carrier to get hit in the first place, or to stay on his feet if he gets hit ...

[Buggrit]

A combination of block, dodge and fend can play havoc with blitzes to the ball carrier

[Cramy]

A combination of block, dodge and fend can play havoc with blitzes to the ball carrier

The more I think about it, the more I think that block, dodge and fend is the way to go, for Elf ball carriers at least.

[Brokje]

Dont forget Sure Hands for those nasty Strip Ballers!

[Buggrit]

Yup, I have an Orc blitzer who now has Block, AG 4, Fend, and Sure Hands