Inducements!!!

DamianTheLost · Post by **DamianTheLost** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:36 pm

I read the other post and I really don't get it, so could someone please explain this to me. If a team of TV 170 plays one with 150. Doesn' this mean the underdog gets 200k for inducements? Isn't there a limit as to how much u can buy this way. The other post got me all confused....

DamianTheLost · Post by **DamianTheLost** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:56 pm

I'm in a league with a midseason knockout cup with massive winnings playing a necro team and the other day I played an orc team with TV 143 against my 163. He put 100k in the petty cash (it was a final) and purchased three randomly selected play cards at 100k each. Does this put him to TV 173 giving me a free igor for instance?

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:12 pm

Each of the following 3 Situations start out with a TV 170 team playing a TV 150 team

1) No petty cash involved: TV 150 team gets 200k in inducements

2)TV 170 team moves 100k from treasury to petty cash...it's now TV180 vs TV150, so the TV 150 team gets 300k in inducements.

3)TV150 Team moves 100k from treasury to petty cash..it's now a TV170 vs TV160 game, so the TV160 (formerly 150) team gets only 100k in inducements.

If you move Treasury to Petty cash, it changes your TV for that game, which changes how much and sometimes who gets inducements

Say the 150tv team moved 300k from treasury to petty cash...now it's a TV170 vs TV 180 game and the former overdog actually gets 100k in inducements!

From post #2.
Orc Team TV 143 vs Your team TV163.

Orc moves 100k from treasury to bank. He's now a TV153 team and only gets 100k in inducements..so he still only has 200k to spend and could only get Two 100k cards, not 3.

To get Three 100k cards, the Orc team would have to move 300k from treasury to Bank...if he did so, he'd be a TV 173 team now vs your 163 and you would get 100k in inducements.

Again, the important point to remember is that the TV difference for the game is calculated AFTER any movements of gold from Treasury to Petty Cash.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:28 pm

As an Underdog that's already receiving inducement "cash", there's no reason to move money from the treasury to petty cash (iirc).

Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:55 pm

Darkson wrote:As an Underdog that's already receiving inducement "cash", there's no reason to move money from the treasury to petty cash (iirc).

There is one:
Say you are 60k Underdog but you want an Apo. So you move 100k to petty cash and hire the Apo. You are now the 40k Overdog and your opponent gains nothing as there are no 40k Inducements.

Basically, if you are the Underdog and you want to get something that is more expensive than what you get in Inducements, you have to pay it in full from your treasury and become the Overdog.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:59 pm

Forgot that there are useable inducments at 50k (the cards, and perhaps Bribes in future).

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:54 pm

Inducements and TV are STUPID! I hate LRB5 League rules.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:37 pm

Snew wrote:Inducements and TV are STUPID! I hate LRB5 League rules.

Really ... wow that was news.

Galak

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:50 pm

Do you just want to follow me around baiting me? Don't bother.

bouncergriim · Post by **bouncergriim** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:41 pm

I really like the new team value/inducements. I like being able to strategize more with my inducements than I could with cards. But I do miss extra MVPs for playing opponents with much higher TV.

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:33 am

I like the inducements much better than the LRB4 handicaps. It does take some time to get used to computing the TV, handling cash transfers, and calculating the inducements.

From the number of inducements questions on this forum, I think that it is a bit too complicated. But I'll take the inducements instead of the handicaps any day.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:32 pm

I like TV, and use it in our (mainly LRB4) league, but hate inducements.
unfortunately, my coaching skill wasn't up to showing what a bad idea they are.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:49 pm

Cramy wrote:From the number of inducements questions on this forum, I think that it is a bit too complicated. But I'll take the inducements instead of the handicaps any day.

Inducements are easy. JJ's idea of Petty Cash is where the complications occur .. an idea that he added after we'd finished the PBBL rules.

Galak

dwarfrunner · Post by **dwarfrunner** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:12 pm

I think TV is alot better than the old team rating system. Admittedly, it took a while to udnerstand. But I think its easy and accurate.

Warpstone · Post by **Warpstone** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:56 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:Inducements are easy. JJ's idea of Petty Cash is where the complications occur .. an idea that he added after we'd finished the PBBL rules.

Galak

It makes sense now. I'm a big fan of inducements, but the petty cash rules have always felt a bit ad-hoc. Afterall, how often is somebody going to either:
a) give even more inducement monies to their underdog by buying a wizard, apoth, etc.
b) make their underdog team the overdog with money from their treasury?

I understand that the rule is mostly there to keep wizards and such as part of the game, but do players really go out of their way to use these inducements? Would it be acceptable to limit bribes, wizards and all as options only for underdogs and do away with petty cash completely?