Fumbles and Diving Catch...

[doswelk]

We had a strange situation last week...

A skaven gutter runner with Diving catch went to pass the ball and fumbled..

It bounced into the square of another skaven player who caught it...

But the query arose if another player was not that can the gutter runner diving catch it?

We could see arguments for both yes and no.

Just wondering which is correct though.

[Buggrit]

Not sure if I'm 100% correct here...

The rules state that diving catch cannot be used on bouncing balls only on Pass, kick or crowd throw in.

By that I'm assuming that they mean at the other end of the pass (accurate or not), not at the end where the ball is fumbled by an inept gutter runner.

[Old Man Draco]

Buggrit is correct.

Fumble states that the ball will "bounce" one square from the thrower. Diving catch states that "bouncing" balls cannot be caught with this skill.

So it's a definit no.

[GalakStarscraper]

Fumble states that the ball will "bounce" one square from the thrower. Diving catch states that "bouncing" balls cannot be caught with this skill.

So it's a definit no.

Agreed ... a fumble is considered a bouncing ball.

Galak

[bouncergriim]

However, if it was a quick pass that was inaccurate and scattered to beside the gutter with DC, could he then try to catch his own ball. I would say, by the rules yes, but by reason: I don't know for sure.

[Thasmodious]

I've seen it happen in RL, so I could buy it. QB trying to throw a screen pass hits the receiver or a lineman he was trying to throw over in the helmet, ball bounces upward, QB catches it.

[GalakStarscraper]

However, if it was a quick pass that was inaccurate and scattered to beside the gutter with DC, could he then try to catch his own ball. I would say, by the rules yes, but by reason: I don't know for sure.

I would say yes he could.

Galak

[Snew]

If there are two or more players attempting to use this skill then
they get in each other’s way and neither can use it.

So why is this in there? Well, I think I know why, so you only get one chance to catch the ball no matter how many diving catchers you have on the ball, but it's worded so poorly that an opponent could agrue that 2 diving catchers cancel each other out instead of allowing the other coach to declare which one, and only one, he's going to use.

[Father911]

If there are two or more players attempting to use this skill then
they get in each other’s way and neither can use it.

So why is this in there? Well, I think I know why, so you only get one chance to catch the ball no matter how many diving catchers you have on the ball, but it's worded so poorly that an opponent could agrue that 2 diving catchers cancel each other out instead of allowing the other coach to declare which one, and only one, he's going to use.

I believe it is there to show what happens when there are diving catchers from both teams who could both potentially catch the ball.
If there are multiple diving catchers from the same team then only one tries to make the catch since the others can choose to not use the skill.

[GalakStarscraper]

If there are two or more players attempting to use this skill then
they get in each other’s way and neither can use it.

So why is this in there? Well, I think I know why, so you only get one chance to catch the ball no matter how many diving catchers you have on the ball, but it's worded so poorly that an opponent could agrue that 2 diving catchers cancel each other out instead of allowing the other coach to declare which one, and only one, he's going to use.

I believe it is there to show what happens when there are diving catchers from both teams who could both potentially catch the ball.
If there are multiple diving catchers from the same team then only one tries to make the catch since the others can choose to not use the skill.

Correct. If you have two DC players from the same team ... you choose not to have one use the skill and only one player is using DC so that player can try to catch. Two players from opposing teams will eliminate the ability for either one to try .... UNLESS ... one player wanted the other team to try and was willing to allow the catch roll, but otherwise 2 opposing DC players cancel each other out.

Since the skill says "attempting to use this skill" and not "having this skill" .. the declaration of intent to use is important not just having the skill. Which is my way of saying Snew that I disagree that it is poorly worded.

Galak

Galak

[Snew]

I figured you would.

Thanks for the clarification, both of you.

[nerostinto]

Two players from opposing teams will eliminate the ability for either one to try .... UNLESS ... one player wanted the other team to try and was willing to allow the catch roll, but otherwise 2 opposing DC players cancel each other out.

Since the skill says "attempting to use this skill" and not "having this skill" .. the declaration of intent to use is important not just having the skill.

Galak

In such a case who is supposed to declare intent to use first? Moving team or opposition? Secretly written on paper?

[Xeterog]

Remember that you can decide to use a skill after a die roll has been made (so you can modify that die roll)...I don't think that the timing in this case matters at all. In fact, timing of skill use rarely has an effect in BBowl.

One of the players says "I'm going to use Diving catch on this player to attempt to catch the ball"...then the other coach can say, "Well, I'll have Diving catch on my player to try to catch the ball" Then since they both try to use the skill, it doesn't work and the ball will now bounce.

I would rarely want on opponent to catch the ball..so I'm not going to give them the chance to do so if I can..and I almost always want to have the ball in my hands, so I'll probably use Diving Catch if I can--or try to.

Say the Offensive player with Diving Catch has already moved..and you don't really want him to have the ball, so you don't try to use the skill...but your opponent speaks up and says "Hey, Bob has diving catch, I think I'll try to catch that ball"..you could then chime in and use Diving catch to prevent it and make the ball bounce.

[DoubleSkulls]

I'd assume in almost every instance I can think of there is no advantage in letting your opponent have an attempt to catch the ball - hence if opposing DC players are both eligable neither will be able to make the catch.

[fen]

What if there are 2 DCers from one team and 1 from the other? Do they all cancel or do the first pair cancel, leaving the spare man free to catch it?