More Juggernaut questions

[Topper]

Okay I have read through the foums and can´t sem to find the answer for this:
A juggernaut player pushes a player into a standfirm player...
What happens?
Standfirm overrides the juggernaut as it´s a chainpush or Juggernaut wins as it beats standfirm?
Hope someone can help us out here.
Thx in advance

[Digger Goreman]

The key is that the Juggernaut treats the die as a push result -> Pushing a player into a Stand Firm player results in neither player being pushed....

[fen]

Actually, key is in the text of the skill and the rules for pushbacks

Juggernaut (Strength)
A player with this skill is virtually impossible to stop once he is in motion. If this player takes a Blitz Action, then opposing players may not use their Fend, Stand Firm or Wrestle skills against blocks, and he may choose to treat a ‘Both Down’ result as if a ‘Pushed’ result has been rolled instead.

If all such squares are occupied by other players, then the player is pushed into an occupied square, and the player that originally occupied the square is pushed back in turn. This secondary push back is treated exactly like a normal push back as if the second player had been blocked by the first. The coach of the moving team decides all push back directions for secondary push backs unless the pushed player has a skill that overrides this.

Mind you, this said I don't exactly know the answer. I'm leaving this one for Tom and just providing the text as reference. But I believe that the second opposing player is not pushed back, but it depends on player indicated in the bolded text (the first).

[Digger Goreman]

"then opposing players"

Wow... I see, Fen... depends on whether that's all opposing players or the one involved in the block....

Hmmmmmmm

[bitMonkey]

Hm. Yeah. I'm also a bit confused. The "second player" clearly refers to the one suffering the secondary push back. Then the "first player" ought to be the player getting pushed by the juggernaut. Still, I would also expect the *juggernaut* to be the "first player" in this three-player situation. I'm guessing he's the "zeroth player"?

Is "zeroth" even a word???

[bouncergriim]

reading the text of Juggernaut, an opponet cannot use wrestle against a juggernaut when the juggernaut blitzes. Does that mean that if a player has juggernaut and block, he can choose to knock down an opponent on both down even if that opponent has wrestle?

[PubBowler]

reading the text of Juggernaut, an opponet cannot use wrestle against a juggernaut when the juggernaut blitzes. Does that mean that if a player has juggernaut and block, he can choose to knock down an opponent on both down even if that opponent has wrestle?

Yep (big happy grin!)

[GalakStarscraper]

The "first player" reference means the "first player pushed" ... so Juggernaut would not allow you to push a Stand Firm player on a secondary push.

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And yes ... a player with Juggernaut and Block you blitzes a player with Wrestle will knock him down on a Both Down result.

Galak

[Topper]

thx alot guys

[bitMonkey]

The "first player" reference means the "first player pushed" ... so Juggernaut would not allow you to push a Stand Firm player on a secondary push.

Thanks for clearing that up. Now, how about an armor roll for the player getting squished between the juggernaut and the stand firm dude?