Pass action

[Holy G]

Discrepancy in wording :

Page 8 : "Pass : a player may move a number of squares equal to his MA, then he MUST pass the ball"

Page 13 : "The player is allowed to make a normal move, after which he MAY throw the ball"

MUST / MAY when is the decision taken and is it must or may ???

Our league takes the later as Page 13 goes more indepth into how the pass action is taken, ie we declare the pass only when we are happy with his normal move...but before the dice roll for the pass.

'this also stopped the tactic of some of our players watching you miraculously making 3 dodges and 2 go for - its to simply stop the pass and gameplay on a technicality because you didn't declare pass action 5
dice roles earlier', we classed it as dirty tactics.... Although Gameplay states declare any action before ie is taken, we ready that in the case of pass it is superceded by page 13's full interpretation ie. "The player is allowed to make A NORMAL MOVE then he may pass the ball" as long as the pass is declared before the dice role then it's declared before the action is taken.

Can anybody see where I come from.?

[Al the Rat]

I see where you're coming from but I think it is simply in need of a little clarification. AFAIK you must declare the pass before you move the piece, but you can still decide not to pass the ball once movement is complete. This does conflict with Page 8 that says you MUST pass, but is in keeping with Page 13.

[Ancalagon]

In our league we played similar to you... we didn't declare the pass until we moved, and we didn't allow to measure distances with pass ruler until pass was declared and the you only could roll dice.
I knew we were a bit wrong so asked Neo/Chet about this If I didn't understand wrong this goes like this:
1) declare the pass doesn't matter if the player has the ball or not.
2) move the player to get the ball or move it to do the pass from a near distance. Yo can measure the distance with the ruler because pass has been first declared
3) look the table to know what do you have to roll, and roll dice.
4) apply modifiers
5) the turn of pass has ended, hope you catch it.

[Holy G]

The discrepancy is the problem...The only way both pages can be satisfied is that you declare the action after first taking a normal move,
(as page 13) ie. "at the end of his normal move he may pass the ball " ie Decision time....if he declares it then he must pass (page is then happy .....if he doesn't want to then he simply doesn't declare it (page 13) is happy.

Maybe my thread is lostttt....

[Ancalagon]

yes but pass action includes move action. maybe this is what mess you.

[Holy G]

I dont think it does that's the point : Page 13 "the player makes a NORMAL move first, then he may pass the football"..... indicating the the move is just a normal one, then the decision is taken ?

Im gonna wiat to see more responses now...

[Ancalagon]

Yes, but on a normal move you can move any number of squares up to your limit movement. If you wanted to say that you could declare a pass and at the end don't throw the ball... well I think it's stupid but if you want to... I'll allow it (you lost your opportunity to pass that turn).

[DoubleSkulls]

I agree with Ancalagon - that's the way we play it.

However we allow unrestricted range measurement. Otherwise coaches would just memorize or write down the range table, making the whole rule silly.

[Ancalagon]

However we allow unrestricted range measurement. Otherwise coaches would just memorize or write down the range table, making the whole rule silly.

Yes, unrestricted measurement is the correct way. Once you declared pass you can measure from each square you move.

[Mekanik Kommandoh]

In our league we also play excatly how Ancalagon described in his previous message. So far it has worked out great, with no problems at all. I'm sure you can find numerous errors and inconsistencies from the rules, but none you can't solve with some common sense and a little help from talkbloodbowl.com

[Kri]

Ancalagon got it right. We also have unrestricted range measurement before you move you´re player so you know what square to aim for.

[Deathwing]

Our league takes the later as Page 13 goes more indepth into how the pass action is taken, ie we declare the pass only when we are happy with his normal move...but before the dice roll for the pass.

'this also stopped the tactic of some of our players watching you miraculously making 3 dodges and 2 go for - its to simply stop the pass and gameplay on a technicality because you didn't declare pass action 5
dice roles earlier', we classed it as dirty tactics.... Although Gameplay states declare any action before ie is taken, we ready that in the case of pass it is superceded by page 13's full interpretation ie. "The player is allowed to make A NORMAL MOVE then he may pass the ball" as long as the pass is declared before the dice role then it's declared before the action is taken.

Can anybody see where I come from.?

I'll admit I'm getting a little frustrated with this whole declaration thing. This has been answered on the other thread by several people. I was under the impression that this was gonna be a may/must pass query.

YOU HAVE TO DECLARE THE PASS ACTION BEFORE YOU MOVE THE PLAYER!!!!!!!!

[dakkakhan]

Well you guys had me until the 'Unrestricted Measuring' Part. That's just crazy.

1. Declare a pass action
2. Move the player with the ball until you are ready to throw it.
3. Declare he is 'throwing the ball'
4. Measure to any eligible receiver and consult table, roll dice apply modifiers etc.

To allow him to figure out what square he needs to go to to get a quick pass as opposed to a short pass is weird. Sure there will be some coaches to memorize the ruler, etc. Those players should probably give up BB and play Chess full-time. Less variables, etc.

I personally don't care if someone declares a pass before moving a player, and perhaps I'll lose a tournament for it, but I'll bet I get that coach's sportsmanship vote! I pay attention to what my opponent is doing and if he is going for the ball and dosn't make it, why can't another player go for it too? ANd if the second guy gets there, I will let him throw it out providing he didn't hit anyone on the way in etc. ie he isn't taking another action.

that's just me, though and I understand where everyone is coming from, so I'd like an official clarification.

Laterz

[DoubleSkulls]

However we allow unrestricted range measurement. Otherwise coaches would just memorize or write down the range table, making the whole rule silly.

Yes, unrestricted measurement is the correct way. Once you declared pass you can measure from each square you move.

That wasn't quite what I meant.

We play you can measure from any square to any other square at any point during your turn. Very often at the beginning of my turn I'll work out where I want to pass from/to and measure the ranges etc before I've even moved a player.

[Casper]

We play it like Ancalagon.
Off course, you have to announce a pass action. If you during the course of moving the player change your mind and do not throw the ball, then its ok, but you cannot take another pass action that turn.
Since the rule book no where states that only on measurement is allowed, we also play with "free measuring" - for every square if you like.