Dwarf team I'd like to see tested

[Duke Jan]

They should have a troll on the roster and none of the troll slayers is allowed to hit an opponent until they slay the troll

[Aliboon]

I like it, means that stunty teams wouldn't get wasted by them (as well as Amazon teams...).

The skills are fluffy-giving the blockers stand firm "works" and seeing as it's been nerfed so much from LRB4 it's now just a good skill (certainly no better than tackle imo), but not an automatic choice as it used to be for guarders.

You'd imagine that a stout, low-centre of gravity dwarf wouldn't trip up too easily (but then the increase in speed may change their character too much, if this was the case, just make the blockers the 0-12 linemen option, but then this may make them too good).

Could possibly give the linemen block and wrestle for 70k-2 good skills, but the combination of both negates the overall value and is still pretty fluffy.

I'm not sure about 0-4 blitzers-you'd never play the dwaves as a passing team anyway, it'd just speed them up when time was short.

Given that the roster hasn't changed from the original 3rd edition, it may be a sacred cow, even though new teams have come in which has made it just too good against those teams.

[voyagers_uk]

Hey Fen, any news?

[Snew]

I'd say that if you want ot improve Dwarves you should change them to this team.

Qty Title Cost MA ST AG AV Skills Normal
0-16 Linemen/Blockers 50,000 5 3 3 9 None G
0-2 Runners 70,000 5 3 3 8 Sure Hands, Pass GP
0-4 Troll Slayers 80,000 4 4 2 9 None GS
0-4 Blitzers 80,000 6 3 3 9 Block GS
0-1 Deathroller 160,000 4 7 1 10 Break Tackle, Dirty Player, Juggernaut, Mighty Blow, No Hands, Secret Weapon, Stand Firm S

Rerolls 60K

[Aliboon]

0-2 Runners 70,000 5 3 3 8 Sure Hands, Pass GP
0-4 Troll Slayers 80,000 4 4 2 9 None GS

These are typos yeah? At least the troll slayer-Oh, I've seen what you've done, it's the orc team......

I wouldn't wanna improve dwarves in the slightest. I reckon they are the best team "out of the box" with the possible exception of Amazon, who they'd cream in a game anyway.

I reckon they are a very solid tier 1 team at the moment and they are just too good against stunty and amazon teams, which weren't around when they were first designed.

So maybe give the blitzers tackle for 90k and make the longbeards lose tackle in exchange for something else.

[fen]

Hey Fen, any news?

Not enough games to really say anything beyond, the team doesn't appear to be better or worse than the original line up. But it does play differently, the team is more fluid and flexible on pitch. Dare I say it, they're now interesting to play with and against. But they're still just as capable of caging up the pitch. The extra Reroll cost seems to balance well with the extra Blitzers.

As for in league play, the relevant league is on hiatus until June. Also, we're down to one serious Dwarf coach and he's umming and aahing about playing Dwarfs as he wants to play Elves & Nurgle (2 team limit per coach in our league). I'm trying to talk him into doing it though, but recently the Dwarf teams tended to get reamed by Claw teams. It's one of the reasons we're running the next two seasons with fresh teams.

[stormmaster1]

1 thing i'd say is that no team should have guard as a starting skill. It's just too good. and if dwarfs start with it then they're going down the same old route anyway.