Diving Catch and LOS

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:25 pm

ianwilliams wrote:No.

The player can attempt to catch any pass, kick off or crowd throw-in, but not bouncing ball
So you only ever get one chance

But the DC player isn't using Diving Catch if the ball scatters into his square, he's using the normal catch rules.

bitMonkey · Post by **bitMonkey** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:57 am

My head hurts. I want a FAQ.

PianoDan · Post by **PianoDan** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:37 am

Darkson wrote:
ianwilliams wrote:No.

The player can attempt to catch any pass, kick off or crowd throw-in, but not bouncing ball
So you only ever get one chance
But the DC player isn't using Diving Catch if the ball scatters into his square, he's using the normal catch rules.

I think this is right, so you would in fact get the second chance at catching the ball having failed the DC using the normal catch rules for bouncing balls (given the right scatter). The ball could make several bounces from prone bodies and dropped catches and the diving catcher would be able to try to catch it each time it came through his square (until caught or on the ground).

Ian's quote of the rules simply says that the player can not use DC for a bouncing ball in an adjacent square, nothing to do with the ball bouncing back into his square.

That's how I interpret it anyway.

Meradanis · Post by **Meradanis** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:16 am

bitMonkey wrote:My head hurts. I want a FAQ.

I totally agree with this statement.

As for the question from which square a failed diving catch attemp fumbles, I believe it is from the square of the (diving) Catcher. In my opinion, after snatching the ball out of the air by using 'Diving Catch', the ball has left its original square whether your catch attemp is successfull or not.

I'm not totally sure about this, but that's the way I would play it for the sake of an easy mechanic.

bouncergriim · Post by **bouncergriim** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:25 am

This discussion of ball scattering from square ? was done before:

viewtopic.php?t=21561&highlight=diving+catch

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:38 am

ianwilliams wrote:
Darkson wrote:Well, I might be wrong on that bit, but I assumed that if you're attempting to catch from your own square and fail, it would bounce from your square.
Nope. It bounces in the original square if you fail the catch. Also you can't try to catch bouncing balls either so your example isn't correct.

See the thread in the post above.

Call yourself a Rules Guru? Sheesh!

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:40 am

So, to answer the original question, and referencing the thread mentioned above:

Yes, if the ball lands next to a Diving Catch player on the LOS, he can attempt to catch it using the Diving Catch skill. However, as soon as the players uses Diving Catch, the ball has now entered the kicking teams half, and is therefore automatically a Touchback to the receiving team.

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:28 pm

DC: ball is moved into the players square for the catch roll.
That is why- in the suggested errata - that you may not catch ballsbouncing out of your own square (because that would get you infinite catch rolls).
So I'm with DS.
Cheers
Martin

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:05 pm

Darkson wrote:Call yourself a Rules Guru? Sheesh!

I thought that was you giving me the special rank

Anyway, I apogolise for not reading correctly.

If you try to catch a ball landing in an adjacent square and you fail and it bounces into your square you can try to catch it.

What I meant was that if you try to catch a ball landing in your square and fail you can't try and catch the ball again - or if you try to catch a ball landing in an adjacent square and fail then you can't try to catch it again if it bounces into another adjacent square.