LRB5 human ogre - first skill ?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:18 pm

Another vote for Block. I'd take Pro after Block.

fen · Post by **fen** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:11 am

Nem0 wrote:Thats exactly why. AV 9 is already very hard to break, and not going down on the both down result on the die will probably save you more often than the increased AV will. Also, its bette to not go down at all, than to get knocked down and have to make the really stupid roll just to stand up again.

That's a large part of it when dealing with an Ogre, but in truth there's almost no situation where I'd take +AV if my guy is already AV9. The % gain of protection just isn't worth the 30K TV increase, MA or a Doubles skill is normally a better use of the roll.

For example Black Orc Blockers, Dwarf Linemen, Chaos Warriors, Nurgle Warriors, Saurusesesess, Mummies and AV9 Big Guys all benefit from the +MA more than the +AV imo.

I probably would take it if the player had rolled 2 ST/AG increases or a fist full of doubles & MA increases though.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:16 am

Basically, AV 10 is broken 8.3% of the time, and AV 9 is broken 17.6% of the time.

When a 2 die block is thrown at you by a player with block, you are knocked down 75% of the time. With block you are knocked down 55% of the time.

So an AV 9 player with block has his armor broken 9.6% of the time when he is blocked, compared to 6.2% of the time with AV 10 and no block. It may seem like a lot, but even if your Ogre is blocked 16 times in a match, it would only result in one more armor break every 2 games, on average.

For in exchange for having your armor broken 3 more times out of 100 knockdowns, the Av 9 player with block causes fewer turnovers (3% chance vs 11% chance) and knocks blockless players down more often (75% of the time vs. 55% of the time.) If your ogre can throw 16 blocks in a match, that is 1.3 fewer turnovers and 3.2 knockdowns compared to not having block.

Finally, the new Claw skill negates the armor increase, but a both down die will never result in your armor being broken again.

So all in all, block helps the Ogre do everything he needs to do (hit and be hit... not just being hit) which is why I would choose it.

Bucket-Head · Post by **Bucket-Head** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:25 am

Jural was very... clear

BLOCK!!!

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:37 pm

If clear = dull, you are probably right.

But if you just take away one answer, it should be Fen's. He's 100% right, and my sentiments mirror his. I just wanted to put down the numbers.

Bucket-Head wrote:Jural was very... clear

BLOCK!!!

fen · Post by **fen** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:04 pm

I find numbers and facts get in the way of truthiness, I prefer to just lay out opinions.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:25 am

Another vote for Block. Remember if you get a 2nd doubles, given your S-only access, you can still go to town! On a 6-4, take +MA, every time! MA6 Ogres don't sound nearly as awesome as they are, but they're still not as awesome as Ogres with Block.

Rituro · Post by **Rituro** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:00 pm

fen wrote:For example Black Orc Blockers, Dwarf Linemen, Chaos Warriors, Nurgle Warriors, Saurusesesess...

Sauri?

fen · Post by **fen** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:48 pm

No, I'm just rubbing them because I'm tired.
*drum roll*
Ah thank you, I'll be here all week.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:14 pm

Block is better than pro on a human ogre because Block means you turn over less - even though Pro allows to you complete more actions successfully.

On other big guys Pro can be better - especially if TTM is part of their common useage.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:24 pm

Leap.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:46 pm

And if you ever get doubles on a Snotling -- Break Tackle.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:56 pm

That would be stupid.

fire olli · Post by **fire olli** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:55 pm

where did you get that web profile from its great. Could you give me some details? Please

The Ref · Post by **The Ref** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:15 pm

Thanks to all of you guys, the vote was clear

. I've taken the block

The creator of our page is Casper, the webmaster on this page:
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A great page! Makes Bloodbowl the favoured game in our gaming group..

They'll be rentals though, so all of you can get a similar page in the future. (Are we not supposed to say this in the forums? whatever...)

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