Vampires

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:54 pm

fen wrote:
mattgslater wrote:Here's my shot.
0-4 Vampire 6/4/4/8 Hypnotic Gaze, Loner, Regenerate 140k
0-16 Thralls (Hobbos)
0-2 Ghouls
70k RRs
Best Team in the Game.

I agree ... I've played Vamps a long time ... I'd rule with this team. Very sure of it.

Galak

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:03 pm

Loner really doesn't have much affect as a Negatrait on the Vampires due to their GSA skill access. There's just so many reroll type skills available to them that team rerolls start to become less of a necessity. They can just take Pro and have the same chances of being able to reroll something as using a team reroll, but if they fail the Pro roll they wouldn't lose a team reroll as a result.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:15 pm

is there not a chance of having a Vampire team of just Vampires

1. newly blooded
2. weakened old wisps
3. Corpulent beasts
4. Rabid daemons
5. prime specimens

enough potential to have MV5/7 ST2/4 AG3/4 AV7/9 variants.

you could easily lose Bloodlust and have a decent team, that would not be overpowered except in Fluff material.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:01 pm

nothing wrong with the vamp team as it is

learn how to play the game ;o

plenty of other teams for you lot to mess with, leave my fave one alone!

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:02 pm

mattgslater wrote: Knocking ST to 3 is one way to keep the player affordable and the team balanced, but it doesn't seem Vampire-like; Vampires are supposed to be really really strong.

Maybe Blood Bowl players are really strong and Vamps that play are just average.

fen · Post by **fen** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:03 pm

House Rules section my dear sir, people can do what they like in here - it's got no relevance to the official rules.

Meradanis · Post by **Meradanis** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:17 pm

As I've stated before, just change Blood Lust to auto stun the bitten Thrall (instead of a possible casuality). It's a very small change, and would make the Vampire team at least playable in a league setting. Everyone seems to agree that this change would be a good one without making Vamps too powerfull. I really hope someone from the BBRC considers it for the LRB6. I'd buy a full set of BB Vampire minis if they would give them this small boost.

nothing wrong with the vamp team as it is

learn how to play the game ;o

You can't be serious with this ? I've tried to play Vampires in our league multiple times, and I'm surely a veteran BB player. Even with the most cautious 2 Vampires maximum play, I didn't have the slightest chance against other fresh teams. As written now, the team is not challenging (as it should be), it's only frustrating.

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:35 pm

Eh, I don't think the on roster ghoul suggestions are winning me over. I think I just want a team with vamps and thralls.

I'm thinking of bringing back the Vampire Lord and maybe going with something like this:

Code: Select all

0-1  Vampire Lord 6/4/4/9 Hypnotic Gaze, Regeneration 140K
0-4  Vampires     6/3/4/8 Hypnotic Gaze, Regeneration 110K
0-16 Thralls      6/3/3/7 None                         40K

So I've got the wannabes, the newly created vampires, and the vampire lord. Thoughts on balance?

fen · Post by **fen** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:59 pm

That Vampire Lord should be costed in the 200K+ zone, it's the single best player in BB outside of Star Players. Look at Luthor, that guy is 1ST and 2 skills away from being better than the Count and he is probably the best Star Player in the game

In fact I'd say 280 - 300K would be "fair".

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:21 pm

mattgslater wrote:...Here's my shot.
0-4 Vampire 6/4/4/8 Hypnotic Gaze, Loner, Regenerate 140k
0-16 Thralls (Hobbos)
0-2 Ghouls
70k RRs
...

You know, that roster is too good, but I wonder if the following might be a fun Vamp roster.

0-2 Blood Frenzied 6/4/3/8 Wild Animal, Loner, Frenzy, Regenerate S/GAP
0-2 Vampire Spawn 5/4/4/7 Really Stupid, Loner, Regenerate A/GSP
0-2 Damphir 6/3/4/8 Loner, Regenerate, Hypno Gaze G/SAP
0-2 Vampire Lords 6/4/4/8 Loner, Animosity, Hypno Gaze, Regen, GA/SP
0-16 Thralls (Hobbos)
70k RRs

Not playtested, just trying to take off with previous ideas a bit.

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:51 pm

Grumbledook wrote:nothing wrong with the vamp team as it is

learn how to play the game ;o

plenty of other teams for you lot to mess with, leave my fave one alone!

as Fen said 'dook,, House Rulez - don't like it, say so! just don't insult me with your "learn how to play the game", not a comment to endear you to me that one.....

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:35 pm

fen wrote:That Vampire Lord should be costed in the 200K+ zone, it's the single best player in BB outside of Star Players. Look at Luthor, that guy is 1ST and 2 skills away from being better than the Count and he is probably the best Star Player in the game

In fact I'd say 280 - 300K would be "fair".

I don't play with stars so I never checked Count Luthor. He does make a nice litmus test.

Now Loner by itself isn't that bad, but the Loner/Animosity combo Jural suggested in his roster has possibilities. It does sort of fit their profile of having disdain for all other races. Maybe I'll fool around with that for a while.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:16 pm

fen wrote:
mattgslater wrote:Here's my shot.
0-4 Vampire 6/4/4/8 Hypnotic Gaze, Loner, Regenerate 140k
0-16 Thralls (Hobbos)
0-2 Ghouls
70k RRs
Best Team in the Game.

What if you took out the Ghouls?

What if you knocked the Vamps down 10k and gave them AS/GP access, to reflect the fact that they think of football as an afterthought?

What if you changed the Linos from Hobbos to Hoomies @ 50k, and knocked the RR cost to 60k?

What if you introduced the old OFAB, with a 1-in-6 chance to miss any given drive @ -10k?

Would any one or more of those fix it?

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:18 pm

Meradanis wrote:As I've stated before, just change Blood Lust to auto stun the bitten Thrall (instead of a possible casuality).

Then it's not really Blood Lust. I like the balancing act, tho'.

fen · Post by **fen** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:26 pm

mattgslater wrote:What if you took out the Ghouls?

Still the best team in the game. Ghouls aren't the broken part.

What if you knocked the Vamps down 10k and gave them AS/GP access, to reflect the fact that they think of football as an afterthought?

Eh it's an interesting player that's AS, but removing Block, Pro, Frenzy and Tackle from Vampires does less than you'd think to curb them. All they need is a single doubles roll as they can get masses of other useful skills from Strength and Dodge from Agility.

What if you changed the Linos from Hobbos to Hoomies @ 50k, and knocked the RR cost to 60k?

Makes the team better than ever paying 10K extra per lineman for +AV is good times and a reduction in RR costs as well? Bonus!

What if you introduced the old OFAB, with a 1-in-6 chance to miss any given drive @ -10k?

Old OFAB is dead to me.