Throw not caught, but then bounces into the arms of a player

[Rituro]

The way that we've read the rules it states that when the ball hits an empty square it will bounce once, we've always bounced it from fumbles, failed catches, failed pick ups and any other instance where the ball hits the ground. You drop a ball, it's not going to sit still, it's going to bounce.

Correct, but when you fail to pick the ball up, it only bounces once. In effect, it hits the ground in the same square as the player -- he failed to pick it up/catch it, remember -- and bounces to a new square, where, if empty, the ball lands, stays put and causes a turnover.

If this second bounce takes the ball either into the crowd or onto a prone player or onto another player who fails to catch the ball, then you bounce again (or use the sideline template for a crowd throw-in) until the ball either comes to rest (causing a turnover) or is caught (which may or may not be a turnover, depending on who caught the ball).

[Old Man Draco]

The way that we've read the rules it states that when the ball hits an empty square it will bounce once, we've always bounced it from fumbles, failed catches, failed pick ups and any other instance where the ball hits the ground. You drop a ball, it's not going to sit still, it's going to bounce.

Nope, I'm afraid you read it wrong. Only after a pass and the kickoff, if the ball lands on an empt square, it bounces another square. If you fail a catch or fumble the ball, it scatters from that player and rests there if it's an empty square.

BTW, with StreetBowl you would be correct!

[Snew]

...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...

[Jural]

Reminds me of a very old PC Pool game where you could turn off friction. The balls never stopped moving (unless they went into pockets, of course.)

...and it hits an empty square so bounce it...

[skritter]

The way that we've read the rules it states that when the ball hits an empty square it will bounce once, we've always bounced it from fumbles, failed catches, failed pick ups and any other instance where the ball hits the ground. You drop a ball, it's not going to sit still, it's going to bounce.

Nope, I'm afraid you read it wrong. If you fail a catch or fumble the ball, it scatters from that player and rests there if it's an empty square.

And this is effectively a bounce. It bounced from the players feet to one square away in a random direction. The bounce point being the player own square.



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[tomlloyd]

Yeah I think we all call it a 'scatter' when the player fails a catch, or drops the ball due to being knocked over or strip balled or whatever, because you use the 'scatter' template. But the wording of the rules in those situations is that the ball 'bounces'.

So yes, if a 'scattered' ball ends up in an empty square it bounces once more, but the ball doesn't 'scatter' when a player drops a ball, it 'bounces' from his own square.

Apologies for all the apostrophies, I was just emphasising that scatter and bounce are specific terms that shouldn't be, but easily are, muddled, like knocked down and placed prone.

[Buggrit]

So what should've happened is the scattered as it was innacurately thrown and then fell to the ground and "bounced" to the hobgob who failed to catch it, this then would mean the ball would "bounce" from his square and then come to a halt and that would've been Turn Over, end of game.

Well at least now I know what we've been doing wrong, and why! Thanks to all who contributed to getting me to a place where I'll no longer F*&% up the rules for this.

Snew, we only scatter then bounce once, not til somebody grabs it, whilst some of the guys that play 40k are SPESH's the BBers tend to have slightly more nous (although granted from the misinterpretation of this rule not a great deal, lol!)

[Glowworm]

In which case i lost and demand a replay......