Stab and Injury rolls

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:27 pm

Stab skill says to make an unmodified injury roll (if you break armor).

Does this mean you get to ignore Niggling injuries and Stunty players like getting stabbed better than getting blocked?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:19 pm

No. it means you can't use any skills to modify the roll (i.e MB or DP).

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:10 pm

You're not authorized to answer rules questions. People only want Tom to answer their questions even if he's wrong.

Geoff Watson · Post by **Geoff Watson** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:31 am

Why does it say "unmodified" if they don't mean it?

Mighty Blow specifically says it doesn't work with Stab.

Geoff.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:10 pm

Steve ... even though I'm used to your comments it gets real tiresome to read them. Makes me wish your home life was better so you didn't need to be so petty online to make yourself happy.

So Steve ... you go ahead and give an answer for this one ... I know that will make you happy.

Galak

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:59 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:Makes me wish your home life was better so you didn't need to be so petty online to make yourself happy

Hmmm.... This wasn't even directed at you but the lemmings that make this place home.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:15 am

Stab says an unmodified roll, but the +1 for stunty and niggling injuries always apply according to the LRB as well. The question is, which one takes precedence?

I would agree this is less than clear. Darkson has the intention of the rule correct (I believe) but it could be clearer.

-Lemming 042

Rustycan · Post by **Rustycan** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:38 am

And if it is "unmodified" then I would rather have my niggle or stunty guy stabbed then blocked as it would be better. (no +1)

Buggrit · Post by **Buggrit** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:17 pm

Rusty, the unmodified roll applies to the armour and means that the roll cannot be modified by skills. The injury roll (should armour break) would still be modified by Niggling injuries and/or stunty as normal (IIRC)

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:44 pm

look at the skill again..

Make an unmodified Armour roll for the victim.
If the score is less than or equal to the victim’s Armour value then the
attack has no effect. If the score beats the victim’s Armour value then
they have been wounded and an unmodified Injury roll must be made

I know that the intent is stop skills like Mighty blow from being used with stab and that Stunty and Niggling injuries should still apply. But the rule is not very clear about it. I've been unsuccessful in finding a rule that would over-ride the stab skill description.

Rustycan · Post by **Rustycan** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:07 pm

So as per the wording in the skill, stunty and niggle would not be applied. I know that they should, but those rulez lawyers who grab at every little thing they can to exploit love things like this!

nyarlathotep · Post by **nyarlathotep** » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:15 pm

Stunty and Niggling Injury are both attributes of the stabbed player - not of the stabbing player. Therefore, you would modify the injury roll for those situations.

The statement "unmodified injury roll" is actually redundant, since you can't use Mighty Blow or Piling On on a stab, as it's not a block...

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:59 am

I had hoped Steve would answer this one ... ah well.

When Stab was written it was pictured very differently. Stunty and Niggle add +1 because the player is less able to take jarring blows.

Stab isn't about crushing blows ... so unmodified injury was really intended to be just that ... completely unmodified.

Galak

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:15 am

GalakStarscraper wrote: ... so unmodified injury was really intended to be just that ... completely unmodified.

Galak

What are the odds of getting a clarification on that? Maybe specifically mentioning stunty and nigglers?

I know it is correct as written, but I would have thought it the opposite way as well.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:53 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:I had hoped Steve would answer this one ... ah well.

When Stab was written it was pictured very differently. Stunty and Niggle add +1 because the player is less able to take jarring blows.

Stab isn't about crushing blows ... so unmodified injury was really intended to be just that ... completely unmodified.

Galak

How would I have known that? I'd have answered the same way Nyar did. The offending stabber get's no help but if the victim is particularly frail... God help him. He's getting abused.

Maybe you wanted me to be wrong so you could do a little jig.

You're gonna have to violate me in other ways publically. Perhaps you can make a dig about my home life.

Have a nice day.

Fot-the-record, I don't think Tom has an offending bone in his body. I punish him relentlessly though because I'm particularly nasty and obnoxious but it's your fault. I'm mean to him because you love him so much. I don't undrestand it so I push all the buttons he's shown over the years to show you guys that he puts his pants on one leg at a time.

but once when he does he makes gold records.

Now give me more cowbell.

I can't stand the rest of you, not Tom.

and I like Jural.