Vamp the Necros?

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:41 am

Word is the Necros need a boost and the Vamps just... errrr... SUCK!

What would be the implications of expanding the Necro team with

0-2 Vampires

and

0-4 Thralls

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:58 am

Thralls bring too much Agility unless you take out the Ghouls and Wights, and that's no fun either.

If you're going to include Vamps on a Necro team, either find another anti-skill (say Loner, an OFAB variant, and a cost increase), or change Bloodlust to "another player" instead of "a Thrall."

bouf · Post by **bouf** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:30 am

The Necros are good now that they have made some changes...

I'd give the Golems M access on doubles and leave off teh Vamps.

Pil · Post by **Pil** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:27 am

This still wouldn't help the vampire team unfortunately

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:58 pm

I think 60K rerolls and Flesh Golems @ 100K is a good boost.

But the werewolf should be given Strength access too.

Then you can build your werewolf like a killer or a scorer.

Little_Rat · Post by **Little_Rat** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:20 am

put Zombies back to 30k ^^ which craphead thought about raising the costs ^^ and Vampires are good as they are right now ^^ There is no need to improve them

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:31 am

I'm gonna guess that Zombies were raised to 40k because no one would take skeletons over zombies at the same costs....

Still, yeah, they're overpriced for sure....

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:08 am

Necros got hit because the Undead team needed Zombies to go to 40K, and according to JJ it's to confusing to have the same player having different costs on different rosters.

Just tell JJ where to stick his views on the intelligence of the average BB player

, and move the Necro zombies back to 30K.

bouncergriim · Post by **bouncergriim** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:24 pm

Instead of thralls the Vamps have to bite a ghoul. that way it affects the team more and really makes you think, do I want to kill a ghoul possibily. No throw away thralls for easy AG access for non positionals.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:53 pm

Still too much agility.

I'm fine with Zombies at 40k, and I think Skeletons should be 40k too (personally, given equal price I'd buy Skels as my third and later Skel/Zombie purchases). Then do something that helps Necro and Undead teams without benefitting Khemri so much. That's how to balance those teams.

That Apoth thing (allow an Apoth on any team, make Apoth and Regen either-or) is in fact perfect there: it brings extra oomph to the Undead and Necro rosters by protecting Ghouls, but it isn't a very good deal for Khemri (comparable to being able to hire Igor; better than nothing, but not something you'd rush out and start with).

datalorex · Post by **datalorex** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:46 am

bouncergriim wrote:Instead of thralls the Vamps have to bite a ghoul. that way it affects the team more and really makes you think, do I want to kill a ghoul possibily. No throw away thralls for easy AG access for non positionals.

WFT? I don't think ghouls have blood. And come to think of it, I'm not sure zombies do either..

datalorex · Post by **datalorex** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:03 am

stashman wrote:I think 60K rerolls and Flesh Golems @ 100K is a good boost.

But the werewolf should be given Strength access too.

Then you can build your werewolf like a killer or a scorer.

I think the WW having ST skills is a little much, but I do support the lowering costs of FG and RRs. With the reduction in price you could field this lineup at 1 mil...
2 FG
2 WW
2 Wights
5 zombies
3 RR

THAT is a great lineup. And if you really want Ghouls, you can trade 2 Zombies and a RR for 2 Ghouls. How can a Necro player argue about that starting lineup?

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:03 am

datalorex wrote:WFT? I don't think ghouls have blood. And come to think of it, I'm not sure zombies do either..

Oh yeah they have blood. Ghoul are not actually dead. In fact ... straight from the LRB 5.0 Handbook edition page 52:

2468 - Realising his team needs more speed, Tomlandry adds
some fresh blood (actually it’s the team's first actual blood)
to the team by hiring a pair of cannibalistic Ghouls. While
Ghouls are not actually dead, the Champions find they now
have a true running game. In addition, the team is now
captained by Ramtut III, a rediscovered mummy of an
original Blood Bowl player from eight thousand years ago.
With this combination of new players, the Champions storm
to victory against the Vynheim Valkyries at Blood Bowl VI.

datalorex · Post by **datalorex** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:01 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:
datalorex wrote:WFT? I don't think ghouls have blood. And come to think of it, I'm not sure zombies do either..
Oh yeah they have blood. Ghoul are not actually dead. In fact ... straight from the LRB 5.0 Handbook edition page 52:
2468 - Realising his team needs more speed, Tomlandry adds
some fresh blood (actually it’s the team's first actual blood)
to the team by hiring a pair of cannibalistic Ghouls. While
Ghouls are not actually dead, the Champions find they now
have a true running game. In addition, the team is now
captained by Ramtut III, a rediscovered mummy of an
original Blood Bowl player from eight thousand years ago.
With this combination of new players, the Champions storm
to victory against the Vynheim Valkyries at Blood Bowl VI.

Interesting. I never thought of a ghoul as a being with blood. I always thought of them as being ghostly. Wikipedia says that Ghouls are dessert dwelling demons (or types of Jinns) in Arabain mythology. But it's good that I know the back story of the ghouls from Blood Bowl.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:11 pm

A ghoul in GW fluff is a man who developed the taste for human flesh and descended into subhuman behaviour.

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